Automatic Drivers

[ZionsWrath]

Automatic is the way of the future. But at this price point we dont get a good. Yea its better than other autos but stick is good. I thought about it but went for stick. Might have got auto if it had same ratios as the manual with just an overdrive sixth gear.

Also was worried about possible issues tracking the car in the future, which I now track the car.

Overall if there was a dual clutch type option I would have went for it. The options available I took manual. But I definitely don't fault those for auto and probably a lot of them can drive it faster then I can drive manual. End of the day it comes down to and whatever transmission gets you there is really a non issue

[skye67]

Originally Posted by congee

Headers too???

I'm debating on either getting my final drive first or headers first. What would you guys recommend?

I would do the final drive gears first as these cars are way over geared. I think somebody figured out once that the automatic if it had the potential to use all the gear ratio would do something like a 165 miles an hour top end.

[nmctacticz]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Bring an STI, unless it's written cobb under the hood I'm not scared


Also I think there may be something faulty with your sarcasm detector.

Well excuse my sarcasm detector it failed...I have a 2010 subaru WRX running minor mods... im just over 300hp. My FRS would not stand a chance LOL.
My FRS has the Invidia N1 cat back and an injen intake, and even when i get my Tomei headers done and go for an OFT tune.... SADLY the FRS would still not stand a chance against my WRX!!!! Nevertheless I love both my cars equally

[nmctacticz]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

You're right, they use a dual clutch which is an incredible transmission.

I really hate seeing this because it just confirms people group all automatics.

There is such a massive difference between a proper dual clutch like the gtr and 911 have, compared to a normal automatic with a torque converter that has a "manual" mode. A DCT doesn't have a torque converter, the worst part of an auto tranny.

Please don't compare the tiptronic automatics to a proper dual clutch. The twins are not a dual clutch.

I know the difference between a dual clutch, DSG, SMG, PDK, torque converter.... and Im also mostly familiar with a manual transmission as I obvioulsy own a manual sports car. Im not saying the FRS is a dual clutch or any sort of manual transmission which is operated automatically. The FRS is a great torque converter that actually feels like some dual clutches in the lower categories of cars. The auto FRS was designed just perfect IMO. Designed with different sport modes to suit your preference of driving whether its on the road stuck in heavy traffic or a curcuit track.
Whoever said you cant launch, spin tires or drift in an automatic FRS is a complete liar or simply lacks the knowledge to do so because I have done all those in the AT FRS. Also, gear shifting just under .3 seconds is a hella of good torque converter in a car that costs under 30k.
Im not here to say auto is better than manual but people have different preferences when it comes to cars and the FRS is a great automatic with many capabilities.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by nmctacticz

Well excuse my sarcasm detector it failed...I have a 2010 subaru WRX running minor mods... im just over 300hp. My FRS would not stand a chance LOL.
My FRS has the Invidia N1 cat back and an injen intake, and even when i get my Tomei headers done and go for an OFT tune.... SADLY the FRS would still not stand a chance against my WRX!!!! Nevertheless I love both my cars equally

For some reason, this is @fumanchu1 only post where he doesn't mention the supercharger he has. He also always fails to mention he's #boughtnotbuilt and he can't handle the power too well and under steered right into a curb.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by congee

Headers too???

I'm debating on either getting my final drive first or headers first. What would you guys recommend?

Final drive 4.56-4.88, because it's the most labor and money and worth the most acceleration wise, equalizes most of the 0-60 speed difference of this car vs the manual

[congee]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Final drive 4.56-4.88, because it's the most labor and money and worth the most acceleration wise, equalizes most of the 0-60 speed difference of this car vs the manual

Do you guys get any snow in philly? I wonder if it makes winter driving harder.

Cost wise, is FD more expensive than headers/tune?

[Kestrel]

Originally Posted by congee

Do you guys get any snow in philly? I wonder if it makes winter driving harder.

Cost wise, is FD more expensive than headers/tune?

Yes.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by congee

Do you guys get any snow in philly? I wonder if it makes winter driving harder.

Cost wise, is FD more expensive than headers/tune?

I have stock tires so I haven't even attempted driving in the snow, and I don't have 4.88 gears yet I'm I'm saving up to get the entire rear end. If you have snow tires there should barely be any difference honestly unless in fact it should take less throttle input.

As for cost I'm not sure the exact quotes for a local shop nearby to install it takes 1-2 days and is $400-$500 not including the actual 4.88 gears which are best to be bought from weir performance for $225, and you may or may not need Weir's full installation kit for $300 which you may or may not need depends on the installer and how its quoted. So worst case it's $1025-$1300 after everything is said and done, it's more expensive but the fact is the car can actually hold it's own vs a manual makes all the difference especially when headers and a tune without the final drive barely get the car to beat a manual.

[churchx]

Dual clutch .. i guess there were two things against it. 1) this wouldn't be as cheap car anymore, 2) imho it's mileage and cost to replace are not well fit for very likely often abused/trashed on track car (at least from what i've heard from VW owners for how long those last and that servicing usually means replacing whole, much more expensive then MT or common AT, unit). There are many good things that would perform better in this car and rise it's capabilities .. but putting in things on par as in porsche cayman will also make it cost as much. Would i ever consider this car then? Heck, NO. I love for what it is, a LOT of car for it's price. Cheap RWD coupe that performs well on track and provides lot of fun. Yes, with some cons, deficiencies and quirks .. but it should be viewed in context of it's class/price. Are there better ones? Sure. Do those beter ones also cost upfront more and also cost more to maintain/service especially if i want to trash them on track, making it outside my budget by a lot? No doubt. Would i welcome hearing news about this car changed to another more upscale i would never consider for purchase? Of course not. Toyobaru nailed it by giving us good enough and CHEAP car .. right in spirit of AE86, for what i'm thankful to them. There were better cars then original hachiroku back then too. Yet almost same formula of lot of car for little of money where what made it popular back then too. Not revolutionary suspension, nor uber powerful engine, nor uber transmission, nor uber luxury standart equipment, nor uber exemplary performance between all the sporty cars out there. It was good enough yet reasonably cheap.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Cole

For some reason, this is @fumanchu1 only post where he doesn't mention the supercharger he has. He also always fails to mention he's #boughtnotbuilt and he can't handle the power too well and under steered right into a curb.

Shit happens , although I am about 25k richer by not having built it though, I love cars but would rather have someone else spend tons of cash on modding it as I have other mental illnesses to take care of such as pc gaming, guitars and golfing(and buying golf gear). Do love how you manage to bring up the subject even when I don't bring up the sc.

[fumanchu1]

also I mean it is written under drives
Drives: 2003 lexus is 300; 2013 Brz C38

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by churchx

Dual clutch .. i guess there were two things against it. 1) this wouldn't be as cheap car anymore, 2) imho it's mileage and cost to replace are not well fit for very likely often abused/trashed on track car (at least from what i've heard from VW owners for how long those last and that servicing usually means replacing whole, much more expensive then MT or common AT, unit). There are many good things that would perform better in this car and rise it's capabilities .. but putting in things on par as in porsche cayman will also make it cost as much. Would i ever consider this car then? Heck, NO. I love for what it is, a LOT of car for it's price. Cheap RWD coupe that performs well on track and provides lot of fun. Yes, with some cons, deficiencies and quirks .. but it should be viewed in context of it's class/price. Are there better ones? Sure. Do those beter ones also cost upfront more and also cost more to maintain/service especially if i want to trash them on track, making it outside my budget by a lot? No doubt. Would i welcome hearing news about this car changed to another more upscale i would never consider for purchase? Of course not. Toyobaru nailed it by giving us good enough and CHEAP car .. right in spirit of AE86, for what i'm thankful to them. There were better cars then original hachiroku back then too. Yet almost same formula of lot of car for little of money where what made it popular back then too. Not revolutionary suspension, nor uber powerful engine, nor uber transmission, nor uber luxury standart equipment, nor uber exemplary performance between all the sporty cars out there. It was good enough yet reasonably cheap.

The biggest reason is that Toyota/Aisin don't have a single dual clutch auto in the lineup which is important to remember, I tried to find one and couldn't, neither does Subaru who gets there transmissions from Aisin as well. A dual clutch system would require heavy development on Aisins part, especially when even though VW uses Aisin when they need to use traditional torque converter type transmissions, for the DSG they use BorgWarner who licenses the dual clutch system to others. In fact the ZF 8 speeds that toyota has traditionally had a dual clutch used a torque converter for the F line at Lexus.

There was definitely some pencil pushing involved when they though of who to put for the bellhousing on the back of the FA20

[Cole]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Shit happens , although I am about 25k richer by not having built it though, I love cars but would rather have someone else spend tons of cash on modding it as I have other mental illnesses to take care of such as pc gaming, guitars and golfing(and buying golf gear). Do love how you manage to bring up the subject even when I don't bring up the sc.

You just like to post about how fast your car is, which you did by mentioning you would outrun an STi unless it was Cobb tuned.

Remember when you mentioned how you'd leave a miata in the dust? Then I posted my friend's Miata? I don't recall you ever replying to that post, so I'll post it again for you.

Here's his instagram to browse through. As I said before, I'm positive he'll be racing in Quebec this summer. I'm sure you could compare lap times afterwards? Unless of course you just like swinging your ****, and not backing it up.