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Many, many, many people track the heavier cars and don't care one little bit how much the consumables cost. They just don't care. You care, Wolf cares, most of the people on this forum care but the people driving those cars do not. It does not make them wrong. We are not talking about ignoring the mass of cars as the very existence of the 86 shows that some people are still listening. Will we see the days of many different models of cheap, light, sports car return? No, they are gone but that does not mean that nobody will ever make one or two models again. They just won't be as light and if they are they won't be as cheap. It is simple economics that not enough people buy them. Even those that are worried will save a few bucks and buy a used one. As I have said several times here people that are whining about the demise of the light weight car need to put their money where their mouth is and go buy them. Not used since the company makes zero money that way. Buy new ones and show them there is a market or STFU and stop complaining they are disappearing.
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Jesus it isn't always about you! You jumped into a conversation that was indeed started with the statement that heavy cars are horrible.
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27 HP is a significant update, sad that it gained 7 lbs but in the grand scheme of things, gaining 27HP for 7 lbs increase in weight is not bad at all. And it's still an affordable sports car to boot. I think if the FT86 was upgraded in the same manner that the ND MX-5 is, it would be a very very sweet ride. Not that it isn't already, but I will admit the Mazda outshines it right now and I suspect purely due to Mazda keeping up with the times while the FT86 is being lazy in updates. |
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Who knows, but my number are going to be accurate within 5%. Those prices are real prices that you can find as well. There are some things he added that I didn't, because it's the same for any car. IE Diff flush (you can add $30 bucks if you want and divide that by 8 track days), trans flush - eventually will do that, about at the hours point, oil changes, seriously? Brake fluid at $300?? for 9 days? I run Castrol SRF in everything, I change it yearly - maybe. $70 a year there. His shock numbers are high (by almost $200 per shock). His rotor numbers are high (not saying he didn't pay that, but paying more than one has to doesn't make it more expensive for everyone). His real rotor numbers are the same as mine of the fronts (rock auto, $328 a piece minus the 5% code + shipping) his rears cost more than mine but he's counting half so that's $250 off his estimate easily. Oh and he never did that trans flush, so that's another $200. He's probably running different tires than I am and that's a big part. I could run R7s on a BRZ and guess what? My consumables won't look awesome on the BRZ... Now obviously every car will be different, but just because it's heavier doesn't mean you are going to see the consumable rates that he saw with his grand sport. Hell take gas, WolfpackS2000 runs through 1 tank a day. In none of his cars would I use just 1 tank a day. Braking habits determine brake part life, overdriving the front tires determines tire budgets. I could go on. My numbers are real and again, my car is HEAVIER.
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While I do get your point here, I have to add: There is always this "right price" for things that a large chunk of society is willing to pay. So it's not necessarily completely arbitrary. The sad fact is as stated previously here, a lot of the people who have the purchasing means for sports cars do not actually use said sports cars as they were meant to be used. A lot of 911 GT3 RS are locked up in a garage. We are a very small percent of buyers that are really interested in buying cars for fun and I feel we are at risk of losing this segment of cars all together. Yes for me, definitely I had in mind that the BRZ is much lighter than say a Mustang GT350 and I always had in mind that consumables will be much cheaper if I drive the car hard. Heck I even keep this in mind when I buy a regular car. My brother bought a heavy luxury car and he is now complaining on how often he has to replace the tires. Long story short, reducing weight lowers consumable costs which makes real driver enthusiasts happy but this might not be the market trend right now because regular consumers are not necessarily aware of this. |
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And then there's some who just want to be the top dog and actually don't care what anything costs at all but that's a minority I'd say based on my experience.
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No personal attack there.
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It's like saying that some people prefer an AT and then getting subjected to massive reams of unrequired justification as to why others prefer MT.
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Sadly the main problem is consumers don't even really buy sports cars enough to begin with and add on top of that they prioritize performance figures and luxury over things like lightweight. There's also another factor I don't believe was ever mentioned in this thread People tend to also buy sports cars to validate themselves in society. They take that into account. So they might be OK with say a Miata or an FT86 but don't want to get scorned for having a slow car or a "lady's car" in the case of the Miata. Also they think what will their friends say when they go for a ride with them and they floor it and their friends go: "is that it?". So do to such insecurities, they'll go buy the big fat Mustang GT. Not to bring down the Mustang, I like that car personally, but I do hate this dynamic of society where you buy a car to satisfy those around you rather than yourself. |
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