BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[Psilox]

Originally Posted by nos145

which software did u use for these?


as a side note, the really bad numbers are probably due to the new miata. there is a possibility of the numbers going back up for next year.

Just the latest version of Excel, I can also post up the spreadsheet so other people can use it if anyone is interested.

And yeah, certainly--hell, I almost got a Miata RF because it's a pretty sexy car. Can say 100% I'm happy with my choice to get the BRZ though, it's so poised.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Psilox

Just the latest version of Excel, I can also post up the spreadsheet so other people can use it if anyone is interested.



And yeah, certainly--hell, I almost got a Miata RF because it's a pretty sexy car. Can say 100% I'm happy with my choice to get the BRZ though, it's so poised.

I'd say it has very little to do with the Miata. There are tons of used ones out there for far less than new. It is the typical sports car trajectory of sales. The Miata will show the same thing over the next few years.


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[LudwigMiles]

Originally Posted by Clipdat

It's kinda frustrating, but there's a large percentage of people who will never "drive these cars like they're meant to be driven". Instead, they'll just put put around town with them, keeping the engine under 4k rpm.

In the end, you can't worry about others.
You know why you bought an FRS/BRZ, and just need to enjoy the car for yourself.
It seems very few get the point of this car, even "car guys" who think it should have more power.
The simple reality is that people who crave handling and eschew gadetry and features are a tiny sliver of the car buying public.
So, just motor on, and just tune out the mainstream.

Yes, it would suck if they scrapped the car, and support becomes harder, but that't not under our control.

Originally Posted by Bristecom

When you combine the FR-S and BRZ, it looks like it is selling better than the Miata and equal or better than the tC. So that's not bad.

That's pretty solid sales, when looked at it that way.
I doubt anyone is discussing discontinuing the Miata.

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

The huge surplus of FRS/BRZ in the used car market is tough to justify getting a 2017 model unless they offer a hot version .

Is there really a "huge" surplus?
It seems like the market is fragmented.
Many cars are modded, which is a turn off for many buyers.
Some are salvage title.
Some are automatics.
Also, prices seem to vary.

I think finding a nice deal on an unmolested well-treated FRS/BRZ still takes some work.

[why?]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

In the end, you can't worry about others.
You know why you bought an FRS/BRZ, and just need to enjoy the car for yourself.
It seems very few get the point of this car, even "car guys" who think it should have more power.
The simple reality is that people who crave handling and eschew gadetry and features are a tiny sliver of the car buying public.
So, just motor on, and just tune out the mainstream.

Yes, it would suck if they scrapped the car, and support becomes harder, but that't not under our control.



That's pretty solid sales, when looked at it that way.
I doubt anyone is discussing discontinuing the Miata.




Is there really a "huge" surplus?
It seems like the market is fragmented.
Many cars are modded, which is a turn off for many buyers.
Some are salvage title.
Some are automatics.
Also, prices seem to vary.

I think finding a nice deal on an unmolested well-treated FRS/BRZ still takes some work.

no it doesn't, there are plenty with low miles being sold by people who didn't know what they were buying. There are 47 used BRZ's on cars.com with under 10,000 miles,36 of them are manuals. That is just on one website.

[LudwigMiles]

Originally Posted by why?

no it doesn't, there are plenty with low miles being sold by people who didn't know what they were buying. There are 47 used BRZ's on cars.com with under 10,000 miles,36 of them are manuals. That is just on one website.

So, that averages out to one car per state. Not exactly a huge glut.

[whiteFT68]

Originally Posted by why?

no it doesn't, there are plenty with low miles being sold by people who didn't know what they were buying. There are 47 used BRZ's on cars.com with under 10,000 miles,36 of them are manuals. That is just on one website.

I agree. Within 100 miles of me, I see about 25 FR-S for sale and 6 BRZ, just on one website. All have relatively low mileage under 40k miles. 40k miles is low miles for the PHX area lol

[chaoskaze]

In America this car does need more power, not likely to change since Japan and most Europe doesn't feel the same way......

Ppl in Australia, middle east & South Africa will share the same view as ppl in US cuz how wide open the country is.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

In America this car does need more power, not likely to change since Japan and most Europe doesn't feel the same way......

Ppl in Australia, middle east & South Africa will share the same view as ppl in US cuz how wide open the country is.

The FA20 is already the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can get, I doubt Toyota or Subaru are in a rush to try and give the car even more power. Instead they will probably let the platform die and move on.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The FA20 is already the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can get, I doubt Toyota or Subaru are in a rush to try and give the car even more power. Instead they will probably let the platform die and move on.

current performance car development money is going into the bmw-supra & supposed lc f, we can't expect them to be working on everything all the time this generation was totally adequate and i expect gen 2 will offer another na 4 boxer while letting the bmw fill in the turbo 4 gap and im totally happy with that..the 86 should stay as the simple rwd coupe

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by HKz

current performance car development money is going into the bmw-supra & supposed lc f, we can't expect them to be working on everything all the time this generation was totally adequate and i expect gen 2 will offer another na 4 boxer while letting the bmw fill in the turbo 4 gap and im totally happy with that..the 86 should stay as the simple rwd coupe

High output NA 4 cylinders are a thing of the past. If there is a 2nd generation 86 it will probably use either a small displacement engine with a turbo or hybrid tech.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

High output NA 4 cylinders are a thing of the past. If there is a 2nd generation 86 it will probably use either a small displacement engine with a turbo or hybrid tech.

not going to happen for a little while for toyota. toyota is still investing in their na engines, look at the newest camry. plus, i think toyota feels less pressure when competition like the newest civic si only pushes 205 hp. i get that torque figures are a bit better but even so it isn't really much faster than the fa20.. the 86 and miata will stay na for a while. if the base bmw-supra gets a turbo 4 and costs around $40 K, why would toyota care to repeat this onto the 86?

[p1l0t]

How's 2017/2018 looking?

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[Rampage]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

How's 2017/2018 looking?

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2018 Has not started yet. At least, no numbers are in yet.

For 2017, the numbers are in for Jan through June. The 2016 Scion FR-S sold 3783 cars from Jan through June last year. The 2017 Toyota 86 sold 3736 cars during the same months in 2017. These are just US sales numbers.

For comparison purposes:
Scion sold 7844 FR-S during the 2016 model year (from Sept 15 thru Aug 16).
Toyota has sold 6090 86 for 2017 with July and August yet to be added to the tally.

See this site for data: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/05...sales-figures/

I believe what keeps this car alive is that Toyota shares the cost of producing it with Subaru. When you add in the sales of the BRZ, which is essentially an identical car, then you get annual sales numbers which are sufficient to continue production. Subaru has sold 3006 BRZ from Jan thru Aug 2017.

[Quentin]

Yup, joint ventures are pretty much required to make a sports car these days.


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