Should I go AT or MT?

[Overdrive]

I don't see how this car is exempt from being a daily driver. It is for me, and regardless of what transmission it would come with, I had every intention of driving it daily. I wouldn't want a Honda Civic for myself, and that's certainly not the only daily drivable vehicle in existence.

[Calvin27]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

I don't see how this car is exempt from being a daily driver.

It's not. But that not what most people buy these cars for. It's like saying you can't do the grocery run with a porsche gt3. You can but that's not why you would usually buy one for.

[Overdrive]

That's just poor assumptions people make. The perception that sports car can't do normal daily things is old hat, and just because one person finds it impractical doesn't mean someone else will, or has to subject themselves to tolerating more than 2 doors and a vanilla driving experience in some econobox in order to commute, grocery-get, etc. Maybe some folks get it as their occasional fun car, but we all know it's capable of daily living, so I still don't see how Honda Civic is the answer to the question about practical advantages of a clutch in daily driving. This car is still enjoyable when it needs to be and livable when it needs to be no matter which transmission it has.

[PetrolioBenzina]

The spirit and nature of this car does not live in the transmission. They are both sweet machines.

[Calvin27]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

The perception that sports car can't do normal daily things is old hat

Yes, but it seems that comprehension will never take off. Show me where I said it CAN'T do normal daily things.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Well if you are talking daily driver, then should have gotten a honda civic.

If this statement is not simply meant to be insulting or inflammatory then what else?

All but two of the at least twenty owners I personally know in my area daily theirs.

I understand shiumai's misunderstanding and subsequent frustration with my posts but this is the cheapest bait yet.

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Yes, but it seems that comprehension will never take off. Show me where I said it CAN'T do normal daily things.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Yes, but it seems that comprehension will never take off. Show me where I said it CAN'T do normal daily things.

You clearly haven't, but the implication from saying if we're talking daily driving that one should get a Civic is that this car in manual form is not conducive to daily driving. The "shoulda gotten something else", whether you personally think that to be true or not, is essentially what you said, is it not?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

You clearly haven't, but the implication from saying if we're talking daily driving that one should get a Civic is that this car in manual form is not conducive to daily driving. The "shoulda gotten something else", whether you personally think that to be true or not, is essentially what you said, is it not?

Obvious troll is obvious.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Give us this day our daily driver.
Forgive us our shifts,
as we forgive those who shift against us.
Lead us not into lack of traction,
but deliver us from wheelspin.
For thine is the transmission, and the power and glory.
For ever and ever, given regular maintenance.
Amen.

[Calvin27]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

You clearly haven't, but the implication from saying if we're talking daily driving that one should get a Civic is that this car in manual form is not conducive to daily driving. The "shoulda gotten something else", whether you personally think that to be true or not, is essentially what you said, is it not?

Haha yeah fair enough the civic was tongue in cheek. I'll wear that.

But it was in response to this. Which is a stupid question in itself.

Originally Posted by shiumai

Also, what are the advantages that you can use the clutch to? I've already mentioned launching, burning out etc. But what practical advantage is there in daily driving that a clutch provides?

My point was people don't solely buy this for daily driving, well very few do. So asking when is a clutch useful for daily driving is like asking when is a lotus elise good as an ambulance.

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Haha yeah fair enough the civic was tongue in cheek. I'll wear that.

But it was in response to this. Which is a stupid question in itself.



My point was people don't solely buy this for daily driving, well very few do. So asking when is a clutch useful for daily driving is like asking when is a lotus elise good as an ambulance.

That's a pretty lame analogy.
My question was in response to your statement "You select when to change gears, when to downshift, you can use the clutch to your advantage etc. "
You still haven't answered the question as to what the advantages are; it's a pretty simple question.

I'd also question your statement here: "people don't solely buy this for daily driving, well very few do."
Is it also based on the same assumptions you made when you didn't seem aware that you could use the paddle shifters on the AT to change gears at will?

The civic didn't meet my requirements for a daily driver, which was basically to find a vehicle that was very similar to my last daily driver - a 1978 Datsun 280Z. The BRZ was the closest choice. Choosing a daily driver (for me, at least) goes like this:
1. Determine what I need (objective)
2. Given my budget, downselect it to a car that meets that need, and is also a car that I want (subjective).

So, giving a legit answer to your tongue in cheek question, the car I spent my money on met the requirements for a car that fit my needs and wants. A civic would only fit the need. Why spend the same amount of money and only get half the equation?

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

I don't see how this car is exempt from being a daily driver. It is for me, and regardless of what transmission it would come with, I had every intention of driving it daily. I wouldn't want a Honda Civic for myself, and that's certainly not the only daily drivable vehicle in existence.

indeed, the FRS has enough practicality...I had enough space to take 4 (fit) people plus enough luggage & alcohol for a full weekend during my last trip to Las Vegas from Phoenix. It ain't the most comfortable for sure, but it was worth the fun.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by shiumai

You still haven't answered the question as to what the advantages are; it's a pretty simple question.

I'd also question your statement here: "people don't solely buy this for daily driving, well very few do."
Is it also based on the same assumptions you made when you didn't seem aware that you could use the paddle shifters on the AT to change gears at will?

I bought a beater forester with a stick shift. One big advantage was that it was cheaper than anything else comparable by about 5K so...that was a pretty big advantage to buying a stick shift in that instance. In the twins the manual seems to go for more money second hand as it is more desirable overall....so that is also an advantage when it comes time to sell.


Your statement about the ATs paddle shifters is an arguable point. Sure you get the feeling of a downshift or upshift, but it is that vague manual mode automatic transmission shifting you get with most cars of today. The AT in this car adequate at best, and the paddle shifters are more gimmick than anything. They tried to make it good with this car, but it is still a traditional automatic.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I bought a beater forester with a stick shift. One big advantage was that it was cheaper than anything else comparable by about 5K so...that was a pretty big advantage to buying a stick shift in that instance. In the twins the manual seems to go for more money second hand as it is more desirable overall....so that is also an advantage when it comes time to sell.


Your statement about the ATs paddle shifters is an arguable point. Sure you get the feeling of a downshift or upshift, but it is that vague manual mode automatic transmission shifting you get with most cars of today. The AT in this car adequate at best, and the paddle shifters are more gimmick than anything. They tried to make it good with this car, but it is still a traditional automatic.

You're kidding me, right? The AT in this car is worlds ahead of any other AT I've driven (DCTs not included). There is no vagueness whatsoever. How many miles have you put on an AT twin? Hell, even @Tcoat who loves MT to bits had enjoyed the AT in the twins.

But hey, you keep going on with your opinion there, it's all good. We could go out on a drive through some back roads together and I bet I'd be able to have just as much fun as you do, even with my "adequate" transmission.