RX8 out Ran My FRS (Rotary Vs Flat 4) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

GT-ROKIN · 10-08-2012, 12:27 AM

After an argument about which car is better, my friend who owns a 2006 Mazda Rx8 VS my FRS.

1/4 Mile Run

On the launch i was a head for like a few second in sport mode using the paddle shifters perfectly, but for some reason i can feel my car maxing out and not moving a fast as i think it would, on each gear high revs and that feeling of getting tossed back in to the seats was missing. i felt oddly out of place.(Felt like i was driving a Hyundai). However, the RX8(also AT W/Paddle Shifters) took the victory by one car length +.

HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING!!

I dont know if this might be a flaw in my car, or the it has some thing to do with the ECU or Tranny / something else.... any ideas?

Or Rotary Engines Totally Have the upper hand (which i refused to believe)

RowTarEEE · 10-08-2012, 12:29 AM

The FR-S should eat an automatic RX-8 alive. Now, a manual RX-8 with comparable drivers will beat a manual FR-S/BRZ every single time. Don't know how you lost to that RX-8. Source: I have both cars

Tanuki · 10-08-2012, 12:33 AM

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CBR600RR · 10-08-2012, 01:06 AM

@RowTarEEE

IT was an auto FR-S vs a auto RX8, the RX8 has a slightly better power to weight ratio ans more revs per gear.

I am not surprised the RX8 won. Even for a manual vs manual i would expect the RX8 to win (not by much)

vang · 10-08-2012, 02:31 AM

What the fuq are you two doing drag racing two slow cars intended for fun in the twisties? LOL

Also, that was a lame Hyundai comment. FYI, the Genesis will smoke you in YOUR game, the 1/4 mile.

KnwsAThngOr2AbutAThngOr2 · 10-08-2012, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vang

What the fuq are you two doing drag racing two slow cars intended for fun in the twisties? LOL

Also, that was a lame Hyundai comment. FYI, the Genesis will smoke you in YOUR game, the 1/4 mile.

I believe he was referring to the Accent, not the Genesis.

glorydays · 10-08-2012, 03:22 PM

Well the 13b is the bigger motor 1.3x2=2.6l of displacement vs. 2.0. Don't underestimate the rotary

I think the problem youre actually having is that you're drag racing the frs and expecting it to win...

Wolfking · 10-08-2012, 03:29 PM

Quote:

RX8 out Ran My FRS...

In a straight line it did!

(Remember! You're not in a drag car!)

hippari · 10-08-2012, 03:38 PM

Few years back I raced my 5spd 99 Miata against an 04 RX-8 auto. I had been driving stick for literally all of two weeks and missed third gear on both my runs.

I still remember how slow it was compared to my FR-S, so like...I dunno, hit them flappy paddles faster?

RowTarEEE · 10-08-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glorydays

Well the 13b is the bigger motor 1.3x2=2.6l of displacement vs. 2.0. Don't underestimate the rotary

I think the problem youre actually having is that you're drag racing the frs and expecting it to win...

^13b is not the bigger motor. 1.3 liters is still 1.3 liters lol. And I wasn't aware the automatic FR-S was that much slower than a manual? I know the RX-8 automatic is a lot slower than a manual. It had 7,500RPM and produced significantly lower HP than the 9,000RPM manual.

DarkSunrise · 10-08-2012, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RowTarEEE

Now, a manual RX-8 with comparable drivers will beat a manual FR-S/BRZ every single time.

Are you sure about that? They seem dead-even on paper (both tested by C/D):

RX-8 R3 / FR-S

0-60: 6.3 s / 6.4 s
0-100: 16.9 s / 16.6 s
1/4: 14.9@94 / 14.9@95

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...fr-s-specs.pdf

be6sti · 10-08-2012, 03:55 PM

Call me a liar or whatever but I took an rx8 I believe it must have been an auto in the 1/8th mile drag in my 03 outback 5spd with just a catback and an intake....

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RowTarEEE · 10-08-2012, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Are you sure about that? They seem dead-even on paper (both tested by C/D):

RX-8 R3 / FR-S

0-60: 6.3 s / 6.4 s
0-100: 16.9 s / 16.6 s
1/4: 14.9@94 / 14.9@95

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...fr-s-specs.pdf

I have a series 1 MT '04 RX-8 which quoted 14.3 at the 1/4th. In this article from caranddriver, 14.5 for MT. " the RX-8 scooted to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 96 mph." You are quoting the series II RX-8 R3 which is heavier. Besides, the OP raced an automatic RX-8, which is significantly slower than a MT with only 7,500RPM redline

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...da-rx-8-page-4.

glorydays · 10-08-2012, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RowTarEEE

^13b is not the bigger motor. 1.3 liters is still 1.3 liters lol. And I wasn't aware the automatic FR-S was that much slower than a manual? I know the RX-8 automatic is a lot slower than a manual. It had 7,500RPM and produced significantly lower HP than the 9,000RPM manual.

You're right 654cc per rotor. I stand corrected.

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10-08-2012, 12:27 AM	#1
GT-ROKIN Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: FRS -37J AT Location: L.I - NY Posts: 42 Thanks: 94 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	RX8 out Ran My FRS (Rotary Vs Flat 4) After an argument about which car is better, my friend who owns a 2006 Mazda Rx8 VS my FRS. 1/4 Mile Run On the launch i was a head for like a few second in sport mode using the paddle shifters perfectly, but for some reason i can feel my car maxing out and not moving a fast as i think it would, on each gear high revs and that feeling of getting tossed back in to the seats was missing. i felt oddly out of place.(Felt like i was driving a Hyundai). However, the RX8(also AT W/Paddle Shifters) took the victory by one car length +. HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING!! I dont know if this might be a flaw in my car, or the it has some thing to do with the ECU or Tranny / something else.... any ideas? Or Rotary Engines Totally Have the upper hand (which i refused to believe) __________________ MOVE BITCH..... GET OUT THE WAY!!!

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hippari I Love your GUCCI Wheels! Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: Raven Black FR-S Location: Houston, TX Posts: 169 Thanks: 107 Thanked 63 Times in 31 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Few years back I raced my 5spd 99 Miata against an 04 RX-8 auto. I had been driving stick for literally all of two weeks and missed third gear on both my runs. I still remember how slow it was compared to my FR-S, so like...I dunno, hit them flappy paddles faster? __________________ @jinxyboi \| @_iLLdynasty Rice for the Rice God

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RowTarEEE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Mazda RX-8 MT, Scion FR-S MT Location: Houston, TX Posts: 71 Thanks: 18 Thanked 35 Times in 15 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The FR-S should eat an automatic RX-8 alive. Now, a manual RX-8 with comparable drivers will beat a manual FR-S/BRZ every single time. Don't know how you lost to that RX-8. Source: I have both cars

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CBR600RR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Raven Black Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 451 Thanked 563 Times in 276 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@RowTarEEE IT was an auto FR-S vs a auto RX8, the RX8 has a slightly better power to weight ratio ans more revs per gear. I am not surprised the RX8 won. Even for a manual vs manual i would expect the RX8 to win (not by much)

10-08-2012, 02:31 AM	#5
vang Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2003 Honda S2000 Location: USA Posts: 40 Thanks: 12 Thanked 55 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What the fuq are you two doing drag racing two slow cars intended for fun in the twisties? LOL Also, that was a lame Hyundai comment. FYI, the Genesis will smoke you in YOUR game, the 1/4 mile.

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glorydays Remember me? Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BRZ Series.Blue Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 483 Thanks: 259 Thanked 105 Times in 68 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well the 13b is the bigger motor 1.3x2=2.6l of displacement vs. 2.0. Don't underestimate the rotary I think the problem youre actually having is that you're drag racing the frs and expecting it to win...

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