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Old 10-29-2009, 08:59 AM   #1
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Lexus IS-F parts wish list

Right now there is lots of uncertainty concerning what parts will be used. The rumor is that a Lexus rear diff will be used. If so, which one? The Lexus IS comes with two different sized diffs. The top of the line one gets a Torsen LSD.

Unless Subaru has stuffed the Lexus diff in their rear suspension, a Lexus suspension would seem to be a natural choice. The Lexus IS-F gets aluminum suspension uprights front and rear. Yay! Aluminum!

I haven't heard anything about the front suspension yet. Will it be a continuation of Subaru struts, Lexus-like SLA struts, or some sort of Toyota SuperStrut/REVO strut?
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something tells me having this many lexus parts may not happen; wouldn't that lower the integrity of the is-f in some way?
i would say aluminum uprights does sound like a good choice for keeping weight down; and that extraspecial LSD might end up in a upper end ft model; as well someone on here mentioned the lexus diff was making it to this car (maybe the less advanced one that you wrote about). but i am almost positive lexus struts would never make it to this ~$22-25k car.

what struts made it into their other sports cars in the past? that may hold a clue..as of now, some toyotas are on KYB's i believe

btw: LFA is on their main lexus website now, that's unbelievable to me. right out of the gates and already showing up on their website; fast turn-around i'd say.
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I doubt that the Lexus suspension components will be used. The diff. sounds feasible, but that's likely it. If Toyota is designing this as an entry level vehicle with the price point being at $20,000., it will likely have recycled/slightly modified components from existing Toyota/Subbie vehicles. The price restriction is the biggest challenge for the design/engineering team... "Make it [THIS GOOD] but you only have [this much] to spend".

If this vehicle serves its purpose (relatively mass market entry level sports), I'm sure we'll see a few more models/options in the future. I'm personally waiting for a Supra replacement... the IS-F just isn't that exciting to me.
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This car will need a lsd but it won't have one because it is a $25000 car. The good news is that since it's rwd it shouldn't be too hard to take apart the rear end and install one yourself.
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This car will need a lsd but it won't have one because it is a $25000 car. The good news is that since it's rwd it shouldn't be too hard to take apart the rear end and install one yourself.
The Civic Si costs around 21-22k and comes with an LSD stock. If Toyota really wanted to, they could include it. Or make it a cost-option, like Dodge did with the SRT-4 (the Neon one, not the current rolling monstrosity).
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Im sorry to say but Toyota is not in charge of the design, Subaru is.
Toyota is only going to modify the exteriour and interiour look to make it look like a Toyota.
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Im sorry to say but Toyota is not in charge of the design, Subaru is.
Toyota is only going to modify the exteriour and interiour look to make it look like a Toyota.
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Im sorry to say but Toyota is not in charge of the design, Subaru is.
Toyota is only going to modify the exteriour and interiour look to make it look like a Toyota.
New to the concept aren't we?
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Right now there is lots of uncertainty concerning what parts will be used. The rumor is that a Lexus rear diff will be used. If so, which one? The Lexus IS comes with two different sized diffs. The top of the line one gets a Torsen LSD.

Unless Subaru has stuffed the Lexus diff in their rear suspension, a Lexus suspension would seem to be a natural choice. The Lexus IS-F gets aluminum suspension uprights front and rear. Yay! Aluminum!

I haven't heard anything about the front suspension yet. Will it be a continuation of Subaru struts, Lexus-like SLA struts, or some sort of Toyota SuperStrut/REVO strut?
Even if lexus goes aluminum for me the cons and pro of this vehicle should be considered. For the pros it has a high-quality interior, raucous V8 power, sports-car handling, quiet cabin. For the cons it has unforgiving poor suspension, no manual transmission option, boy-racer exterior styling, common wheel hub assembly problem, and cramped rear seat.

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the poor suspension was caused by the wheel hub assembly. you are right its not that really popular because it has no manual transmission option. it's really a boring car.
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Right now there is lots of uncertainty concerning what parts will be used. The rumor is that a Lexus rear diff will be used. If so, which one? The Lexus IS comes with two different sized diffs. The top of the line one gets a Torsen LSD.
Expect to see an Nissan R200 diff, or maybe an R180 if the car ends up being a torqueless wonder. I say this because the wrx has used an R160 diff since forever, and likewise with the R180 in the STi. The R180 would be a bit weak in a rwd setup, but an R200 will fit the existing Impreza rear subframe with minimal changes. Before you all go crying about Toyota this and that, Bear in mind that the R200 was the stock differential on the s13, s14, s15 and n/a 300zx so there are a wealth of aftermarket LSDs and many gearing options already available for it.

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Unless Subaru has stuffed the Lexus diff in their rear suspension, a Lexus suspension would seem to be a natural choice. The Lexus IS-F gets aluminum suspension uprights front and rear. Yay! Aluminum!
For suspension geometry reasons the lexus uprights are very unlikely, not to mention that the IS has an SLA (since we're being fancy) front suspension, and this car will have struts. Aluminum-wise though, it's entirely possible that this car will get the aluminum control arms of the STi.

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I haven't heard anything about the front suspension yet. Will it be a continuation of Subaru struts, Lexus-like SLA struts, or some sort of Toyota SuperStrut/REVO strut?
Macpherson strut front, multi-link rear. Revoknuckles are pointless on a rwd car.
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