Twins future question

[joro2]

Originally Posted by MJones_RB

It's too bad Toyota didn't have enough faith in the platform to release their convertible version, or bring the "shooting brake" concept to at least a limited release.

Having lived with the car (BRZ) for a few weeks now what I might've been cool is the near identical profile (because the body is as close to perfect as-is) except with a hatch instead of the traditional trunk.* From the reading I've done this was deemed difficult to impossible without adding weight and/or compromising the platform's rigidity.

*The sweep of the rear glass and trunk line is almost hatch-like as-is, hence I could easily imagine a simple Toyota 2000GT -esque hatch w/o much alteration to the existing body style (speaking purely about aesthetics, all engineering / weight and strength issues aside).

[driftguy]

Originally Posted by MJones_RB

It's too bad Toyota didn't have enough faith in the platform to release their convertible version, or bring the "shooting brake" concept to at least a limited release.

I still wish they'd build this. Or a targa top. Any open top motoring option would be a dream come true.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by driftguy

I still wish they'd build this. Or a targa top. Any open top motoring option would be a dream come true.

Cars that weren't made specifically to be a convertible usually suck as convertibles. A targa top would be cool though...

[RallySport]

Next iteration will use a similar ICE but will also include electricification for torque fill. Cheers.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by RallySport

Next iteration will use a similar ICE but will also include electricification for torque fill. Cheers.

You nailed it on the head I think. I hope they keep it light (supercaps instead of batteries).

I'd say for the next gen there's an 75% chance of a performance hybrid, a 20% chance of displacement upped to ~2.5, and a 5% chance of forced induction.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Cars that weren't made specifically to be a convertible usually suck as convertibles. A targa top would be cool though...

There was a lot of discussion back in '12 and '13 that the body was originally designed specifically to have a convertible top. Don't know that it was ever really confirmed though.

As far as a Targa top, heck yes! With Louvers....

[Yoshoobaroo]

T-top gets my vote :P


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[accel]

Originally Posted by HKz

accel in the clear lead for 2017's most prolific ft86club troll

You are also cool, man.

[Dialkyl]

Originally Posted by driftguy

I still wish they'd build this. Or a targa top. Any open top motoring option would be a dream come true.

Dang, that would have been cool for them to have done.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

There was a lot of discussion back in '12 and '13 that the body was originally designed specifically to have a convertible top. Don't know that it was ever really confirmed though.

I recall articles stating that the car was not designed with a convertible variant in mind, and that the added bracing that would be required to turn it into a convertible without it folding like a taco would raise the center of gravity and make it heavy and sluggish. Same thing with the hatch and targa tops. The roof, rear pillars and back glass frame are all structural and contribute to the stiffness of the vehicle without adding as much weight as the bracing that would be required to replace them. Even the two ridges in the roof are structural and add stiffness.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I recall articles stating that the car was not designed with a convertible variant in mind, and that the added bracing that would be required to turn it into a convertible without it folding like a taco would raise the center of gravity and make it heavy and sluggish.

Depends on if you listen to Subaru or Toyota statements.

Toyota:
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/05/t...t-geneva-2013/

However, with features such as frameless doors, the GT86 was designed with the development of a cabriolet in mind, which means the impact on structural rigidity by converting to an open-top design should not be great.

Subaru:
http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...tible-brz-fr-s

"We make the car, so if we don't make it, it can't happen," Yoshinaga said at the show today."Our engineering department told me that losing the entire roof requires a complete redesign of the structure. It would need a big change."

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

There was a lot of discussion back in '12 and '13 that the body was originally designed specifically to have a convertible top. Don't know that it was ever really confirmed though.

As far as a Targa top, heck yes! With Louvers....

I've seen and love the Open concept car, but I've never seen this Targa... I LOVE THEM BOTH! It would be awesome to get some fresh air and not constantly bang my helmet on the headliner while autocrossing...

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Depends on if you listen to Subaru or Toyota statements.

You took the Toyota quote somewhat out of context. The part you edited out is important:

Toyota has pinpointed numerous areas that will need further engineering evaluation to assess the impact of the cabriolet design on performance, vehicle rigidity, balance, weight and aerodynamics. However, with features such as frameless doors, the GT86 was designed with the development of a cabriolet in mind, which means the impact on structural rigidity by converting to an open-top design should not be great. Efficient measures to preserve rigidity are being analysed, such as the use of door lock reinforcements.

On one hand, you have a fake news PR hack issuing a press release opining about the intent of the design after essentially contradicting himself in the first sentence. If it were actually designed for a convertible, there would not be "numerous areas that will need further engineering evaluation," since that would have been part of the design of a convertible.

On the other hand, you have Subaru's actual CEO saying flat out it's not engineered for a convertible variant, and that it won't be.

I think I would be more inclined to believe the company that actually engineered and manufactures it. A lot of bullshit seems to leak out of Toyota.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

You took the Toyota quote somewhat out of context. The part you edited out is important:



On one hand, you have a fake news PR hack issuing a press release opining about the intent of the design after essentially contradicting himself in the first sentence. If it were actually designed for a convertible, there would not be "numerous areas that will need further engineering evaluation," since that would have been part of the design of a convertible.

On the other hand, you have Subaru's actual CEO saying flat out it's not engineered for a convertible variant, and that it won't be.

I think I would be more inclined to believe the company that actually engineered and manufactures it. A lot of bullshit seems to leak out of Toyota.

A lot of bullshit is claimed to be leaked out of Toyota. I doubt that much actually does. The Subaru quotes probably are not much more accurate though.