Will the 2015 get this power boost?

[Sport-Tech]

There's a thread over in the FR-S section that links to an article in which Tada talks about a coming power boost for the 86:

Now, the chief engineer of the 86, Tetsuya Tada, has finally admitted his team is developing a number of ways to increase performance of the showroom version; one of which will definitely make it to production when the 86 receives its mid-life upgrade in 2015.

"I hope to make an engine upgrade at least one time with this car," Tada told Drive.
"We [have] already tried all possibilities and there are several types of 86 prototypes at the Toyota proving ground now; one is a turbocharger, one is bigger displacement and [the other is a] special hybrid system."

"All possibilities are being considered."

Tada would not divulge any further details, but inside sources claim the most likely option is an increase in displacement, bumping the 2.0-litre horizontally opposed engine out to 2.5-litres and increasing power from 147kW to around 190kW.

Likelihood of whatever is decided upon making it to the BRZ? My guess is it's very high. Certainly won't be buying a 2014 now, and might hold off on that C7 I've been speccing....

[Frstorm]

In the article he said Toyota may go away from Subaru engine. I think they may move away from the partnership

[thill]

Originally Posted by Frstorm

In the article he said Toyota may go away from Subaru engine. I think they may move away from the partnership

That would be for the next concept FT86. Which you will not see most likely for another 5 years.

I think Subaru could add a turbo or supercharged option for 2015. It just depends on price and demand.

[ZXTT95]

Since this article is from Australia I wonder if they're talking about calendar year 2015, in other words US model year 2016.

[Sport-Tech]

Subie has positioned itself as the seller of the premium version of the twins - hard to see them easily giving that up to a more powerful 86/FR-S. Be interesting to see the clauses in their contract for the twins that deals with this, I am sure it's been anticipated...

[Sport-Tech]

Since this article is from Australia I wonder if they're talking about calendar year 2015, in other words US model year 2016.

Doubt they will wait for MY 2016 for this, that would be too long given the well-voiced demand for more power. If they are already testing prototypes they should be good to go in a year.

[strat61caster]

No, it's a rumor.

[DAEMANO]

I doubt the partnership will desolve after 1 iteration of a vehicle. Subaru manufactures the car. The tooling just to setup manufacturing has to be in the hundreds of millions if not billions. The next powerplant may change but if this car continues it will still be a Toyobaru. For Toyota to walk away from Subaru, a ground up redesign would be likely, then the car could only be the same in name and/or spirit only. IMO the "special hybrid" option sounds a lot like an electric supercharger similar to the one being developed right on this board, same as systems both audi, volvo, and other major mfgs are looking into for singular application as well as twin-charging.

[Kostamojen]

The 2.5l option would be extremely simple for them and IMO the best route. Keeps weight the same, increases torque considerably, and can get the HP a bit higher as well.

[Skyllz]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I doubt the partnership will desolve after 1 iteration of a vehicle. Subaru manufactures the car.

This.

With the $$ involved in tooling a factory, I think this is not a 1 shot deal.

[thill]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I doubt the partnership will desolve after 1 iteration of a vehicle. Subaru manufactures the car. The tooling just to setup manufacturing has to be in the hundreds of millions if not billions. The next powerplant may change but if this car continues it will still be a Toyobaru. For Toyota to walk away from Subaru, a ground up redesign would be likely, then the car could only be the same in name and/or spirit only. IMO the "special hybrid" option sounds a lot like an electric supercharger similar to the one being developed right on this board, same as systems both audi, volvo, and other major mfgs are looking into for singular application as well as twin-charging.

It is entirely possible that Toyota could go their own direction with a completley different concept vehicle. I doubt it, but possible. We are talking 5+ years from now.

A lot can happen in 5 years in terms of sales as well. As competition increases and the FT86 platform ages, Subaru may simply not mind focusing their resources on making other cars that will sell in higher volumes if BRZ sales stagnate.

For example Subaru has sold 4700 BRZ's in 2013. They have sold almost 47K Imprezza's.

[Frstorm]

Toyota would just change the whole design and produce them themselves. And it would have a new name which I'm ok with make my frs rare

[ATL BRZ]

There is no replacement for displacement.

[DeepHunta]

blah! Just get the next gen wrx / STI if you really want a more powerful car. Keep the BRZ for rwd hooligan stuff