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Old 11-16-2019, 06:03 AM   #29
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I remember before internet car forums and all this google knowledge, we would meet in the evenings in town, with our cars, at the local gas station and talk cars.

It didn't take long to figure out who knew what. If we would have some smart ass that was spouting a bunch of shit, we would take him out back of the station and slap him around till he went away and stayed away.

Simpler times.




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Yeap, good old days, drag racing on the foreshore, late night speed runs from Sydney to Newcastle.

Sometimes I wonder how the hell I survived.
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I remember before internet car forums and all this google knowledge, we would meet in the evenings in town, with our cars, at the local gas station and talk cars.

It didn't take long to figure out who knew what. If we would have some smart ass that was spouting a bunch of shit, we would take him out back of the station and slap him around till he went away and stayed away.

Simpler times.




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in the mp3car meets, i remember standing around awkwardly as guys would list and compare specific computer processor and chipset product numbers.

in the club3g meets, i remember awkwardly standing around while guys loudly debated which transmission model number to use with a 3.5L mivec swap.

and in the more recent days of celica meets, i try to change the conversation as everyone jumps in debating specific engine production codes.

yeah, nothing's changed.
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Yeap, good old days, drag racing on the foreshore, late night speed runs from Sydney to Newcastle.

Sometimes I wonder how the hell I survived.
Yep, I hear that. Down at the station, after all the bragging was done, we would head out to our marked straight stretch of country road and see which car was faster in the quarter mile.

This was all fine and dandy when the cars wouldn't be going much over 65 mph at the end of the quarter mile.

Then one night we watched Dwight's new 409 Chevrolet take on John's Corvette. Yep, bumper to bumper all the way down the quarter mile, with a speed that was waaaaay too unsafe for the country road -

The drag racing days on our country roads ended -

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Yep, I hear that. Down at the station, after all the bragging was done, we would head out to our marked straight stretch of country road and see which car was faster in the quarter mile.

This was all fine and dandy when the cars wouldn't be going much over 65 mph at the end of the quarter mile.

Then one night we watched Dwight's new 409 Chevrolet take on John's Corvette. Yep, bumper to bumper all the way down the quarter mile, with a speed that was waaaaay too unsafe for the country road -

The drag racing days on our country roads ended -

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Back in 1976 the Province built a beautifully straight, 5 mile long, two lane, arterial highway as an express route across one end of London. For some unexplained bureaucratic reason they then left it closed and barricaded by concrete walls for 2 years. We of course found a way around those walls and made very good use of that nice wide stretch of open road. The cops knew we were there but left us alone as long as we behaved going in and coming out.
It was a joyous time to be a teenager and I was so disappointed when I came back from Germany to find they had let other cars use our road!
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Get a clue.

Uhh, hosting is $5/mo. Unlimited.
Domain name is $10/year.

https://www.bluehost.com/hosting/shared
Get a clue back if you think this runs on a shared host.

It's runs on IBM Cloud on a dedicated server. Not a shared host with hundreds of other sites.

I know you like to talk about things as if you actually know about them but perhaps just do a little research first next time (outside of google searching for "web hosting").
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Get a clue back if you think this runs on a shared host.

It's runs on IBM Cloud on a dedicated server. Not a shared host with hundreds of other sites.

I know you like to talk about things as if you actually know about them but perhaps just do a little research first next time (outside of google searching for "web hosting").
Sure, why don't you clear up the debate, and tell us exactly what is costs to host this forum? As simple as that.
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Sure, why don't you clear up the debate, and tell us exactly what is costs to host this forum? As simple as that.
I don't own the site so I don't have an exact cost. It's going to depend on how many vCPUs, RAM and storage is in use, plus what generation host, assuming IBM operates anything like AWS and Azure. I personally don't use IBM cloud for anything so I can only assume their pricing is similar.

But if you want to use bluehost as a comparison, their cheapest virtual private server costs 19/month (paid in advance then 30/month) and includes 1 IP, 2GB RAM, 2 cores, 30GB storage and 1TB of bandwidth. Their cheapest actual dedicated server is $80/month (with contract, normally $120/month) and includes 4 cores, 4GB ram, 500GB storage, 5TB bandwidth and 3 IPs.

This site's database is def bigger than the small VPS will support and with all the attachments over the last decade (site started in 2009 IIRC) it's probably well past 500GB also.

Whatever it costs (my best guess would be at least a couple hundred a month, more depending on backup strategy) is really a drop in the bucket in the real world. Hosting my environment in both private and public clouds is closer to 7 figures a month than it is to 5 figures a month.
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As others have already said. It isnít the down time itís the risk of losing the knowledge base due to a crash. I remember TOV (a Honda forum in the late 90s early 2000s) when down and all the data was gone for good. TOV has a lot of technical threads unlike most car forums that are flooded with questions about which intake to buy and what exhaust sounds best. Another forum I miss was RSC (a simracing forum) that was loaded with really good knowledge on fabricating cockpits, pedals, etc. They had a DB crash and no backup. There have been some good replacements for RSC but none of them have the same level of fabricating that RSC had.

FT86club has a good bit of technical stuff. It would be a shame to loose it. I cross my fingers that itís backup up at least monthly and if it crashes they would be willing to give access to the backup to someone else willing to host it.
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Whatever it costs (my best guess would be at least a couple hundred a month, more depending on backup strategy) is really a drop in the bucket in the real world. .
Clearly, there is no backup anything, hence this thread.
So, I'll go with your estimate of $300.
That resolves a lot of speculation on this thread.
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there's always archive.org
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Clearly, there is no backup anything, hence this thread.
So, I'll go with your estimate of $300.
That resolves a lot of speculation on this thread.
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So technically now you are confusing backups with redundancy/availability.

A portion of this website's value comes from availability. A small portion. If it's down, people get annoyed (obviously) but in the end it doesn't matter unless it's down forever. And that's because the significant portion of this website's financial value is in it's data.

This website IS a business. The owners never wanted that from what I recall 5-6 years ago when I had these conversations with Hachi but that's what it's become. Maybe not a huge money maker, but this site makes money. Period. Therefore it's a business and business's care about data.

Backups will be for the data. Multiple web servers, load balancers, database clusters, etc are all an expense to increase availability. For this site, that may not be worth the expense. Backups of the data however are well worth the expense.

After all, what would annoy you more? The site being down for 2 days or the site simply losing it's entire database but never actually going offline?

And yes, to the post above, there are archive solutions. These are imperfect (attachments for example) but are helpful.
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So technically now you are confusing backups with redundancy/availability.

A portion of this website's value comes from availability. A small portion. If it's down, people get annoyed (obviously) but in the end it doesn't matter unless it's down forever. And that's because the significant portion of this website's financial value is in it's data.

This website IS a business. The owners never wanted that from what I recall 5-6 years ago when I had these conversations with Hachi but that's what it's become. Maybe not a huge money maker, but this site makes money. Period. Therefore it's a business and business's care about data.

Backups will be for the data. Multiple web servers, load balancers, database clusters, etc are all an expense to increase availability. For this site, that may not be worth the expense. Backups of the data however are well worth the expense.

After all, what would annoy you more? The site being down for 2 days or the site simply losing it's entire database but never actually going offline?

And yes, to the post above, there are archive solutions. These are imperfect (attachments for example) but are helpful.
Oddly enough when you look at the business end of this (or any forum) the data is not the product being sold to the advertisers/sponsors. The actual product is the members/users and the number of posts/visits the site receives. The data itself becomes meaningless if there is nobody coming to the site to use it. The mass of data could all disappear tomorrow but if people continue to visit the site then it still has value to the sponsors. Now, of course if the mass of data disappeared tomorrow then we may not get the number of visitors we currently do but I highly doubt it would result in the closure of the site. As it is many of the new members first posts are asking the same things that is already available but hard to find. A total loss of data would just mean there would be less "search nob" responses and the info would have to all start from scratch. So even if all the history is gone as long as the activity remains high enough to attract sponsors the site remains viable as a business.


I don't know, but have always suspected, that the roughly 20 minute daily down times at 9:am and 2:am (eastern time) were when the site backs up.
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Oddly enough when you look at the business end of this (or any forum) the data is not the product being sold to the advertisers/sponsors. The actual product is the members/users and the number of posts/visits the site receives. The data itself becomes meaningless if there is nobody coming to the site to use it. The mass of data could all disappear tomorrow but if people continue to visit the site then it still has value to the sponsors. Now, of course if the mass of data disappeared tomorrow then we may not get the number of visitors we currently do but I highly doubt it would result in the closure of the site. As it is many of the new members first posts are asking the same things that is already available but hard to find. A total loss of data would just mean there would be less "search nob" responses and the info would have to all start from scratch. So even if all the history is gone as long as the activity remains high enough to attract sponsors the site remains viable as a business.


I don't know, but have always suspected, that the roughly 20 minute daily down times at 9:am and 2:am (eastern time) were when the site backs up.
Chicken and egg. Site has the users it does because it has the data it has. People search google for "FRS best headers" and find a crapton of threads here, then they join. If they didn't find any hits here, they wouldn't come here and join, and then the target audience goes down and advertisers leave. That's why this site didn't have paying advertisers until a bit after the car was released. Had to build up the data and user base first to get the page views and unique impressions high enough to justify a business spending money on becoming a vendor.
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Chicken and egg. Site has the users it does because it has the data it has. People search google for "FRS best headers" and find a crapton of threads here, then they join. If they didn't find any hits here, they wouldn't come here and join, and then the target audience goes down and advertisers leave. That's why this site didn't have paying advertisers until a bit after the car was released. Had to build up the data and user base first to get the page views and unique impressions high enough to justify a business spending money on becoming a vendor.
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