2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

[Pwolf]

Originally Posted by PMok

here's a collage of random video clips I took throughout the day on Sat ... on-track footage will have to wait a bit longer. Sorry it is really pretty random stuff I just threw it all together.

Best part was @MyRx's discussion on racecar and squirrel.

[MyRx]

No one ever listens to me. That's it I'm selling the car







Haha jk

[RC51ed]

Originally Posted by MyRx

No one ever listens to me. That's it I'm selling the car







Haha jk

Huh? Did you say something? 😴😴😴😴😴


Lol

[WoOosOn]

Originally Posted by MyRx

No one ever listens to me. That's it I'm selling the car







Haha jk

Squirrel!!

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Check out all the slip in the FR Shootout video...

We (I) showed up woefully unprepared.

Where can I has dis vid?

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by AyJay

How much more aggressive are 999 pads than the Club Sports? Are they comparable to the difference between a CarboTech Xp10 and Xp12?

I need to get away from the Project Mu HC+800 pads I've been using. I always leave every track day complaining about them yet I stick with them because they are just adequate enough on track to allow their inexpensive price tag to appeal to the cheap bastard in me, they don't kill my rotors even when they over heat, I don't have to do 2 brake jobs bookending a track weekend, and I LOVE them as AutoX pads.

I have a hard time running consistent laps with the HC+800 since they tend to fall off after a few hot laps. They never completely go away but I do find myself having to adjust for slightly longer braking distances towards the middle -> end of sessions. And I'm sure I'm giving up some overall time with these pads.

Also, how many days (5/6 sessions) are you getting out of a set of the 999s?

#1: 999 ramps up differently from Club Racer. You will find the modulation characteristics and your ability to control your brake temperatures to be far more favorable than any brake pad you have used in the past. You have to drive to your brake's potential, not dictate how you want the brakes to perform. This is where most people fail on how to drive their cars.

#2: HC+800 is a hybrid pad similar to a W3 and DS2500. It is a good entry level pad for people looking to start tracking their cars as it offers good modulation, heat capacity, and modest bite for those who have never driven quickly on a racetrack before. It also allows the driver to safely learn what it is like to drive at an elevated pace that is not necessarily seen on public roads. We like to suggest this pad for aggressive street drivers as well since it's a good safety item to have on daily vehicles. Hybrid pads have downsides though such as excessive noise, dusting, and lower heat capacity than your track pads. If you are even vaguely an intermediate driver, you have already outgrew the HC+800.

#3: Here's how I personally feel about the pads (@CSG Mike may have a different scale but our preferences are what makes us unique):
999 > W7 > XP12 ~ W6 > CR > W5 > XP10 > XP8 ~ W4 > W3 ~ DS2500 ~ HC+800.

Carbotech hold heat differently than Project Mu brakes. Again, you need to learn how to drive to the brake's potential. We can provide driver instruction services to help you gain that potential better.

#4: We can get anywhere from 4 days to 12 days on 999. YMMV depending on how you use the brakes. I daily on 999 on my personal car and have had them on my car for 2 years now with 1.5 years on the RT700 brake fluid. I have cracked 8 rotors, corded 2 sets of 255 RS3s, and have put approximately 20k miles on my car since I installed the pads. Again, it's all how you use your brakes.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by PMok

here's a collage of random video clips I took throughout the day on Sat ... on-track footage will have to wait a bit longer. Sorry it is really pretty random stuff I just threw it all together.

OMG i so hard at the NON OEM EQUIPMENT DETECTED!!!

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by CSG David

#1: 999 ramps up differently from Club Racer. You will find the modulation characteristics and your ability to control your brake temperatures to be far more favorable than any brake pad you have used in the past. You have to drive to your brake's potential, not dictate how you want the brakes to perform. This is where most people fail on how to drive their cars.

#2: HC+800 is a hybrid pad similar to a W3 and DS2500. It is a good entry level pad for people looking to start tracking their cars as it offers good modulation, heat capacity, and modest bite for those who have never driven quickly on a racetrack before. It also allows the driver to safely learn what it is like to drive at an elevated pace that is not necessarily seen on public roads. We like to suggest this pad for aggressive street drivers as well since it's a good safety item to have on daily vehicles. Hybrid pads have downsides though such as excessive noise, dusting, and lower heat capacity than your track pads. If you are even vaguely an intermediate driver, you have already outgrew the HC+800.

#3: Here's how I personally feel about the pads (@CSG Mike may have a different scale but our preferences are what makes us unique):
999 > W7 > XP12 ~ W6 > CR > W5 > XP10 > XP8 ~ W4 > W3 ~ DS2500 ~ HC+800.

Carbotech hold heat differently than Project Mu brakes. Again, you need to learn how to drive to the brake's potential. We can provide driver instruction services to help you gain that potential better.

#4: We can get anywhere from 4 days to 12 days on 999. YMMV depending on how you use the brakes. I daily on 999 on my personal car and have had them on my car for 2 years now with 1.5 years on the RT700 brake fluid. I have cracked 8 rotors, corded 2 sets of 255 RS3s, and have put approximately 20k miles on my car since I installed the pads. Again, it's all how you use your brakes.

How do you get that kind of life from a 999 pad? Can you describe how you use your brakes to do this?

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Where can I has dis vid?

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Lk7oGY2ls"]FR Shootout! - Tuner Battle Week 2014 Ep. 4 - YouTube[/ame]

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

How do you get that kind of life from a 999 pad? Can you describe how you use your brakes to do this?

Learn how to manage your brakes and keep them within operating temperature. It's very similar to managing your tires as well. For example, you can completely heat cycle your tires in one session if you keep overusing your tires. For example, @RehabJeff86 drives until his tires are completely dead.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG David

#1: 999 ramps up differently from Club Racer. You will find the modulation characteristics and your ability to control your brake temperatures to be far more favorable than any brake pad you have used in the past.

Interesting feedback on the difference between CS and 999. Your opinion of these is very high especially considering your subsequent ranking of these over the CarboTech pads I've been very fond of. I'm intrigued.

#2: HC+800 is a hybrid pad similar to a W3 and DS2500. It is a good entry level pad for people looking to start tracking their cars as it offers good modulation, heat capacity, and modest bite for those who have never driven quickly on a racetrack before. It also allows the driver to safely learn what it is like to drive at an elevated pace that is not necessarily seen on public roads. We like to suggest this pad for aggressive street drivers as well since it's a good safety item to have on daily vehicles. Hybrid pads have downsides though such as excessive noise, dusting, and lower heat capacity than your track pads. If you are even vaguely an intermediate driver, you have already outgrew the HC+800.

I would agree that I've "out grown" them but I've known that since the very first time I've used them. Still, I'm impressed with their ability for double duty w/o completely giving up or scoring/grooving rotors like other hybrid pads I've used in the past. Overall, I should probably upgrade tho since I'm starting to track this car more.

#3: Here's how I personally feel about the pads (@CSG Mike may have a different scale but our preferences are what makes us unique):
999 > W7 > XP12 ~ W6 > CR > W5 > XP10 > XP8 ~ W4 > W3 ~ DS2500 ~ HC+800.

Carbotech hold heat differently than Project Mu brakes.

I may give the Club Racer's a try next and then try to 999 next just to see which I like better. I would like to stay in the PMu family because of my fondness for the HC+800's AutoX ability. I'm assuming that bedding will be less of an issue like it is when going from a CarboTech Ax6 --> Xp10/12.

#4: We can get anywhere from 4 days to 12 days on 999. YMMV depending on how you use the brakes. I daily on 999 on my personal car and have had them on my car for 2 years now with 1.5 years on the RT700 brake fluid. I have cracked 8 rotors, corded 2 sets of 255 RS3s, and have put approximately 20k miles on my car since I installed the pads. Again, it's all how you use your brakes.

I'm going to assume that your cars are equipped with a BBK if you are getting upwards of 12 events out of a set of pads. Would your pad recommendations change with the usage of OEM 86 brake equipment? I've found that I preferred slightly less aggressive pads when I upgraded to a BBK and had better heat dissapation on my other car.

[RehabJeff86]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Learn how to manage your brakes and keep them within operating temperature. It's very similar to managing your tires as well. For example, you can completely heat cycle your tires in one session if you keep overusing your tires. For example, @RehabJeff86 drives until his tires are completely dead.

Im still a noob.... Will practice more for improvement!!


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[CSG David]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Interesting feedback on the difference between CS and 999. Your opinion of these is very high especially considering your subsequent ranking of these over the CarboTech pads I've been very fond of. I'm intrigued.


I would agree that I've "out grown" them but I've known that since the very first time I've used them. Still, I'm impressed with their ability for double duty w/o completely giving up or scoring/grooving rotors like other hybrid pads I've used in the past. Overall, I should probably upgrade tho since I'm starting to track this car more.


I may give the Club Racer's a try next and then try to 999 next just to see which I like better. I would like to stay in the PMu family because of my fondness for the HC+800's AutoX ability. I'm assuming that bedding will be less of an issue like it is when going from a CarboTech Ax6 --> Xp10/12.




I'm going to assume that your cars are equipped with a BBK if you are getting upwards of 12 events out of a set of pads. Would your pad recommendations change with the usage of OEM 86 brake equipment? I've found that I preferred slightly less aggressive pads when I upgraded to a BBK and had better heat dissapation on my other car.

I can drive most brake setups (OEM to full blown BBK + ducting) with reasonable pace, but improper brake selection significantly hinders the ability to run good laps comfortably.

My personal car is a S2000 and I use factory calipers and rotor sizes. To give you an idea of the level of testing done on 999 and RT700 brake fluid, this picture says it all...the rotor had a monster crack after the shot:



As noted in this picture, proper brake pad compounds will yield an even temperature distribution front and rear of the car. This is what maximum braking potential looks like. Before this shot, the car put in 7x 25min. sessions at 110F ambient, 390HP Rotrex SC setup, 255 RS3s on 17x10 CE28N, and had brand new rotors at all 4 corners. The point of this test was to figure out when the brake fluid will give out. The pads had zero fade that day at SoW, which is an abusive track on brakes as well.

Pad selection is based on temperatures and type of track you will be going to (if you really wanted to have multiple compounds on hand), but for our application, we have found the 999 to be completely manageable in every OEM and BBK format (Sprint & Endurance) for the BRZ. The Club Racer is a variant of the 999 and the 777 at an affordable price. Every pad has its pros/cons and we found the 999 to maximize all facets of our application purposes.

[PMok]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Interesting feedback on the difference between CS and 999. Your opinion of these is very high especially considering your subsequent ranking of these over the CarboTech pads I've been very fond of. I'm intrigued.


I would agree that I've "out grown" them but I've known that since the very first time I've used them. Still, I'm impressed with their ability for double duty w/o completely giving up or scoring/grooving rotors like other hybrid pads I've used in the past. Overall, I should probably upgrade tho since I'm starting to track this car more.


I may give the Club Racer's a try next and then try to 999 next just to see which I like better. I would like to stay in the PMu family because of my fondness for the HC+800's AutoX ability. I'm assuming that bedding will be less of an issue like it is when going from a CarboTech Ax6 --> Xp10/12.

I went from Carbotech XP8 to PMu CR and now considering the 999s, at least for Laguna. I felt like XP8 and CRs were pretty good for a track like Thunderhill. I don't have as much experience or skill as you do though (just by looking at our track times). I can tell you the CRs are pretty decent to drive on a regular basis (semi-daily) too, yeah they made squealing noises but I could live with it. The Carbotechs made a lot of odd warbling noises that bothered me more.