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02-09-2019, 09:20 PM | #29 | |
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How's that? He's already stated that he can drive a MT. I drive a MT daily and track the AT FR-S. While I'm new at tracking I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I thought about trading in for a MT, did at least 3 test drives and opted to hang onto the AT. It's a very precise transmission and a joy to drive. The fact that it's so different really appeals to me. |
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Fair enough, you can't heal toe. I wouldn't be able to anyways with my big feet lol It may be slightly less involving but it certainly isn't not involving at all. I think it's a great car in AT form. To each his/her own. |
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For me only the AT provides: No overrevs, computer perfect smooth gear shifts, mid corner momentary agressive gear selection, no clutch replacements, and i feel confortable letting my friends drive it. |
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Even with an AT, you should be in the correct gear before you enter the corner. There are very few instances where you should ever be changing gear mid-corner (even in an AT you'll get unwanted weight transfer when changing gears). I autox and track with a group of 5 other 86 drivers (and one weirdo in a Lexus IS300), only one of them drives an automatic (he wasn't into performance driving when he bought it but we seduced him during the annual 86 day cruise to join us and he's been stuck with us ever since). The guy with the AT suffers performance penalties at both the autox and trackdays (the longer gearing can really bite, especially with the stock tune and torque dip). You'll be the first person I've heard of choosing an AT for a dedicated track build, but in the end it's your time and money. The platform is great and I love mine as a track and autox car (it's also my daily driver). I couldn't imagine going from a GT4 to an 86 and being happy (well, the nearly $100k price difference might make me happy). I understand not tracking an expensive car since you have to be willing to write off anything you bring to the track; however, I personally would have only gone down to a Cayman or 997 and not all the way down to an 86. To me, a 'dedicated track car' means a cage, stripped interior, and a major investment in parts. If you do that to an AT 86, I cannot see you being able to sell it later (at least not at half the price of a manual car). Now, if you are just looking at a HPDE build where you throw on some brake pads, swap fluids, and swap out wheels and tires you should be fine. The AT isn't great with FI (at least the turbo AT I drove at the track was a hot piece of garbage, but maybe that was an outlier). I don't know what your goals are, but you asked if it would be a mistake to buy an AT 86 instead of a manual to turn into a track car and in my opinion as someone who does serious track work with a BRZ is that I'd advise against it. If you said you had an AT 86 and wanted to make a dedicated track car, I'd still recommend you buying a manual and keep the AT as a daily. If you were just starting to do autox and a few trackdays and already had an AT 86, I'd tell you that it's a good chassis and you should definitely enjoy it. For a full track build, I'd tell you to buy this: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131421 or a NA build like this: https://showroom.windingroad.com/listings/product/4136/ You save a ton of time and money buying a car that's already setup for the track. |
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02-10-2019, 11:05 AM | #34 | |
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I own both an AT and a MT.
I don't know about durability of the AT on a track, but drivability is great. If you are not interested in shifting a manual as part of your driving experience, the AT in the twins is one of the better ones out there. I have autocrossed my wife's AT a few times and, aside from the inability to launch, the auto does great. I put the AT in sport mode and 98% of the time it does what I would have done with a manual, right when I want it done. Just to be clear the *transmission* sport mode is great. (Button in the middle of the center console) The sport mode for the traction control is terrible in the pre 17' models. (Button on the right side of the center console) the 17+ models have a "track" mode that's not bad though. |
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My parameters are it has to look like sports car (no 4 door hot hatches), lightweight (no muscle cars like Vette, Mustage, Camaro). And, must be built for a reasonable price. I have come to a point where I need added the safety of a cage. Porsche's are wonderful track cars, but when you really analyze the cost of a new, caged auto Porsche, the cost delta is substantially more than $100k. The GT4 is manual. If you want an automatic, you either need buy a factory-built Cayman Clubsport or build it yourself. Either way you are talking $150k ish. That's just crazy stupid money. The videos I see online of 86s, are within 4 seconds of the fastest GT4 at Buttonwillow, and 2 seconds at Barbers. I can live with that. And, I like be an underdog. |
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Not sure I follow...are you saying in AT mode it is conservative? I've sure not noticed any conservatism when in manual mode.
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Will it not let you downshift into the 7K range?
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