GTC-200 wing, smaller wing or no wing at all? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

GrandSport · 01-01-2024, 03:55 PM

So I need to get a new setup on the car. I'm wearing the outsides of V730s in about 5 hours and the insides are at 80%. No idea what happened, but it's both sides and there is a lot of negative camber.

While I'm getting a setup done, I'm debating removing the rear wing entirely or just going to smaller one (if that's possible). I see ARP has deferent side plates, but they dont state how much of a difference they make. If it's a big difference, for $120, I'd start there (they also dont tell us the difference between the old, the new and the euro side plates)

It just pushes too much as it is, and I can't get much, if any, rotation on braking.

As far as running ST5, or similar, what is the general consensus for a wing- if there is one?

NoHaveMSG · 01-02-2024, 02:09 AM

What’s the whole setup on the car? My biggest problem adding a splitter and wing(gtc200) was my suspension was no longer up to it.

RT-BRZ · 01-02-2024, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

What’s the whole setup on the car? My biggest problem adding a splitter and wing(gtc200) was my suspension was no longer up to it.

Did you end up changing your suspension to accommodate it?

GrandSport · 01-02-2024, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

What’s the whole setup on the car? My biggest problem adding a splitter and wing(gtc200) was my suspension was no longer up to it.

It has a small splitter, but I doubt it does anything. It's not low enough.
Suspension is is fine. Stance coilovers.

NoHaveMSG · 01-02-2024, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RT-BRZ

Did you end up changing your suspension to accommodate it?

Yeah, future prof’d it when I did.

RT-BRZ · 01-02-2024, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah, future prof’d it when I did.

What did you end up doing? I ask because I just did the UCW wing and splitter from Verus. I'm running Shaftworks USA coilovers with 6k/9k springs and all spherical bearinigs. I'm hoping that's enough.

M0nk3y · 01-02-2024, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandSport

So I need to get a new setup on the car. I'm wearing the outsides of V730s in about 5 hours and the insides are at 80%. No idea what happened, but it's both sides and there is a lot of negative camber.

While I'm getting a setup done, I'm debating removing the rear wing entirely or just going to smaller one (if that's possible). I see ARP has deferent side plates, but they dont state how much of a difference they make. If it's a big difference, for $120, I'd start there (they also dont tell us the difference between the old, the new and the euro side plates)

It just pushes too much as it is, and I can't get much, if any, rotation on braking.

As far as running ST5, or similar, what is the general consensus for a wing- if there is one?

What are your rates? Alignment Settings, Swaybars etc. Coilover aside, something seems incredibly wrong on the setup side of things to be having this type of wear.

Sideplates won't change anything drastic what you're looking for. APR is notorious for having wings that produce too much DF for our cars in particular. They're draggy.

autoracer86 · 01-02-2024, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RT-BRZ

What did you end up doing? I ask because I just did the UCW wing and splitter from Verus. I'm running Shaftworks USA coilovers with 6k/9k springs and all spherical bearinigs. I'm hoping that's enough.

Well the dampers themselves should be fine... Worst case its new springs and a revalve.

I would be curious what John says about your setup. 6k/9k is pretty common for non aero builds. But maybe its more slicks and aero that require stiffer springs than just aero alone

NoHaveMSG · 01-02-2024, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT-BRZ

What did you end up doing? I ask because I just did the UCW wing and splitter from Verus. I'm running Shaftworks USA coilovers with 6k/9k springs and all spherical bearinigs. I'm hoping that's enough.

I am on Annx CSP’s on 10/12k setup now. I was on older T2’s on a 6k flat setup. I was bottoming the fronts a lot and the car didn’t want to rotate.

RT-BRZ · 01-02-2024, 02:27 PM

Good to know. Thanks everyone.

Looks like my 6k/9k setup needs to go to 8k/9k. Thanks to a couple of key resources for that info.

CSG Mike · 01-02-2024, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandSport

So I need to get a new setup on the car. I'm wearing the outsides of V730s in about 5 hours and the insides are at 80%. No idea what happened, but it's both sides and there is a lot of negative camber.

While I'm getting a setup done, I'm debating removing the rear wing entirely or just going to smaller one (if that's possible). I see ARP has deferent side plates, but they dont state how much of a difference they make. If it's a big difference, for $120, I'd start there (they also dont tell us the difference between the old, the new and the euro side plates)

It just pushes too much as it is, and I can't get much, if any, rotation on braking.

As far as running ST5, or similar, what is the general consensus for a wing- if there is one?

What is your current complete setup?

GrandSport · 01-03-2024, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

What is your current complete setup?

Front
-.10* toe (total)
-3.72* Camber
5.71* Caster

Rear
.12 total toe
-3.02 Camber

Stance coilovers (I know... they came with the car, they're honestly not that bad and my track is very smooth so its not a big deal)
gutted/caged/etc
small splitter
V730 tires
and obviously, the wing

CSG Mike · 01-03-2024, 10:13 AM

Is that rear on both the front and rear or just the front?

terboboost · 01-03-2024, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandSport

Front
-.10* toe (total)
-3.72* Camber
5.71* Caster

Rear
.12 total toe
-3.02 Camber

Stance coilovers (I know... they came with the car, they're honestly not that bad and my track is very smooth so its not a big deal)
gutted/caged/etc
small splitter
V730 tires
and obviously, the wing

Stance coilovers are fantastic, is there a sentiment that they are not?

01-01-2024, 03:55 PM	#1
GrandSport Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Drives: 13 Viper; 14 BRZ; 90 Miata; 18 AMG Location: TX Posts: 306 Thanks: 65 Thanked 187 Times in 103 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	GTC-200 wing, smaller wing or no wing at all? So I need to get a new setup on the car. I'm wearing the outsides of V730s in about 5 hours and the insides are at 80%. No idea what happened, but it's both sides and there is a lot of negative camber. While I'm getting a setup done, I'm debating removing the rear wing entirely or just going to smaller one (if that's possible). I see ARP has deferent side plates, but they dont state how much of a difference they make. If it's a big difference, for $120, I'd start there (they also dont tell us the difference between the old, the new and the euro side plates) It just pushes too much as it is, and I can't get much, if any, rotation on braking. As far as running ST5, or similar, what is the general consensus for a wing- if there is one? __________________ 2014 BRZ: Full track car. Gutted, caged, coilovers, AP enduro, OMP, bolt ons, aero, etc, 2013 Viper GTS : Tractive Coilovers, ACR sway bars, aero, carbon, exhaust, etc. 1992 NA Spec Miata: 1.6 + 1999 NB Spec Miata: 1.8 w/ all the goodies. 2018 GLE 63 AMG: +800hp whistling AWD TT V8 grocery getter 2016 GX460: IDK. Too reliable to sell. Too boring to use.

01-02-2024, 02:27 PM	#10
RT-BRZ FNG Join Date: Jan 2021 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 236 Thanks: 297 Thanked 148 Times in 88 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Good to know. Thanks everyone. Looks like my 6k/9k setup needs to go to 8k/9k. Thanks to a couple of key resources for that info. Last edited by RT-BRZ; 01-02-2024 at 03:09 PM. Reason: Updated the information I discovered.

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