Eight-Six TRD vs FD2 Type-R - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

suzuka · 05-22-2012, 07:54 PM

If I recall, TRD in Toyota nomenclature is the factory performance-oriented equivalent to Honda's red H-badged Type-Rs.

So here's the interesting match-up that warrants discussion.

dori. · 05-22-2012, 08:21 PM

No comparison. 86.

fatoni · 05-22-2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori.

No comparison. 86.

elaborate please

WingsofWar · 05-22-2012, 09:34 PM

2007-2010 Civic Type R (FD2) - starting at £19,995 ($31,600.00)
K20A - 220hp @ 8400rpm /154ftlb 6,100rpm
2799~2900lbs
6spd FWD
LSD
4-Door and 3 Door Hatch
Wheelbase - 2,700 mm
Brembos and 225/40 R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE070 standard equipment
Economy claims 24-28 combined average imperial MPG
0-60 - 6.3
1/4 - 14.4
P:W 175
hp:L 111
**discontinued due to not meeting emissions standards

Overall its got some value for being a civicR, especially pitted against a steeper price of the Full TRD GT86 Variant.

JACK 8URT0N · 05-22-2012, 10:27 PM

If I could get a Civic R here, I would already have one. Then I wouldn't need an 86.

WhiteGDB · 05-23-2012, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

2007-2010 Civic Type R (FD2) - starting at £19,995 ($31,600.00)
K20A - 220hp @ 8400rpm /154ftlb 6,100rpm
2799~2900lbs
6spd FWD
LSD
4-Door and 3 Door Hatch
Wheelbase - 2,700 mm
Brembos and 225/40 R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE070 standard equipment
Economy claims 24-28 combined average imperial MPG
0-60 - 6.3
1/4 - 14.4
P:W 175
hp:L 111
**discontinued due to not meeting emissions standards

Overall its got some value for being a civicR, especially pitted against a steeper price of the Full TRD GT86 Variant.

That would be the FN2. Not really the same car. Different chassis, suspension, and engine.

enigma · 05-23-2012, 01:21 AM

Not knowing what sort of power that the TRD 86 makes, you have to make a compelling argument for the CTR. Honda knows how to build a damn good car when it comes to the Type R series... the K20 in the CTR is no exception. 110hp/liter and that glorious 8500 rpm redline... When it comes to 4 cyl's, there's nothing like a high strung Honda 4 cyl.

86'd · 05-23-2012, 01:53 AM

TRD designation is really nothing like Honda's Type R.

The Type R designation is Honda basically turning a otherwise basic economy car, stripping it down, putting in a or modifying the engine until it's a streetable race car. And selling it like that.

AFAIK Toyota never sold a TRD car from the factory. I could be wrong though, as I've been a life long Honda owner.

TRD to me, if anything, is like HFP.

With all of that being said, I love the FD2 and wish they made it here in the states.

Too bad it would have cost as much as an STI here too.

So FRS it is.

Nardi330 · 05-23-2012, 02:51 AM

haven't driven both FD2R and 86 but i'd pick 86 becos it's a ground up design sports car while the FD2R is a hot up family sedan (a good one too) which has a few compromise.

however i will be able to try my fd's FD2R later this year and i will report back.

ultra · 05-26-2012, 05:59 PM

I'm pretty sure that the FD CTR (JDM model) would be faster around a track, and they're very well set up too.

For me it's about FWD vs. RWD. I have a Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 edition, which is widely thought to be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made (refer to Evo magazine or even Best Motoring).

I'm selling the Clio Sport in favour of an 86 gt though simply because of the RWD factor. For me a well balanced RWD car just can't be matched for grins.

Interestingly, the Clio Sport's power, torque and weight are almost identical to the 86 as well, so I'm not even expecting more sheer speed!

The ability to play with the car - to drve it textbook smooth or hang it loose a bit - is what I'm after and no FWD car can offer that.

fatoni · 05-27-2012, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra

I'm pretty sure that the FD CTR (JDM model) would be faster around a track, and they're very well set up too.

For me it's about FWD vs. RWD. I have a Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 edition, which is widely thought to be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made (refer to Evo magazine or even Best Motoring).

I'm selling the Clio Sport in favour of an 86 gt though simply because of the RWD factor. For me a well balanced RWD car just can't be matched for grins.

Interestingly, the Clio Sport's power, torque and weight are almost identical to the 86 as well, so I'm not even expecting more sheer speed!

The ability to play with the car - to drve it textbook smooth or hang it loose a bit - is what I'm after and no FWD car can offer that.

i actually think a fwd would enforce this more

EvoTME · 05-27-2012, 12:32 PM

the fd2 is one (together with the itr and megane rs) of the greatest fwd ever made. Around a rece track is is much more quicker than the twins (the ctr can set 1.08 around Tsukuba); yes is still a fwd BUT, like Drift King said, "it is a racing car, a racing car with number plates". Its NA k20 is absoulutely mad when it is in the VTEC zone, the same thing cannot be said for the FA20 sadly.

Turbowned · 05-27-2012, 12:40 PM

I drove a regular FD2 *edit* FA5 Si last week and it was really twitchy. Torque-steered in the rain like whoah! Interior was nice and the shifter feel was incredible for having a linkage and not being bolted directly to the trans. They'd have to put in some serious work to make that thing drive the way I'd want it to and even then, not a fan of FWD.

ultra · 05-27-2012, 01:30 PM

I believe that the JDM Type R cars (at least the Mugen RR) have an LSD to cure precisely that issue. Gets them out of the corners really well too.

05-22-2012, 07:54 PM	#1
suzuka Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 7th Gen Accord Location: L.A. Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Eight-Six TRD vs FD2 Type-R If I recall, TRD in Toyota nomenclature is the factory performance-oriented equivalent to Honda's red H-badged Type-Rs. So here's the interesting match-up that warrants discussion.

05-22-2012, 08:21 PM	#2
dori. Señor Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: white BRZ 6MT Location: Rockland, NY Posts: 1,554 Thanks: 740 Thanked 374 Times in 248 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No comparison. 86. __________________ twitter \| instagram \| #nicetwins tumblr photoblog

05-22-2012, 09:34 PM	#4
WingsofWar MODERATOR-SAMA Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Swagtron Scooter Location: Seattle Posts: 2,685 Thanks: 345 Thanked 1,561 Times in 524 Posts Mentioned: 81 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2007-2010 Civic Type R (FD2) - starting at £19,995 ($31,600.00) K20A - 220hp @ 8400rpm /154ftlb 6,100rpm 2799~2900lbs 6spd FWD LSD 4-Door and 3 Door Hatch Wheelbase - 2,700 mm Brembos and 225/40 R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE070 standard equipment Economy claims 24-28 combined average imperial MPG 0-60 - 6.3 1/4 - 14.4 P:W 175 hp:L 111 **discontinued due to not meeting emissions standards Overall its got some value for being a civicR, especially pitted against a steeper price of the Full TRD GT86 Variant. __________________

05-23-2012, 01:21 AM	#7
enigma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Asphalt 86 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 174 Thanks: 6 Thanked 147 Times in 66 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not knowing what sort of power that the TRD 86 makes, you have to make a compelling argument for the CTR. Honda knows how to build a damn good car when it comes to the Type R series... the K20 in the CTR is no exception. 110hp/liter and that glorious 8500 rpm redline... When it comes to 4 cyl's, there's nothing like a high strung Honda 4 cyl. __________________ My Build - Cosworth Supercharged Kansas City 86 FR-S/BRZ Enthusiasts Club

05-26-2012, 05:59 PM	#10
ultra Curious cat. Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 86 GT base M/T - Red Location: Dubai Posts: 775 Thanks: 840 Thanked 383 Times in 191 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm pretty sure that the FD CTR (JDM model) would be faster around a track, and they're very well set up too. For me it's about FWD vs. RWD. I have a Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 edition, which is widely thought to be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made (refer to Evo magazine or even Best Motoring). I'm selling the Clio Sport in favour of an 86 gt though simply because of the RWD factor. For me a well balanced RWD car just can't be matched for grins. Interestingly, the Clio Sport's power, torque and weight are almost identical to the 86 as well, so I'm not even expecting more sheer speed! The ability to play with the car - to drve it textbook smooth or hang it loose a bit - is what I'm after and no FWD car can offer that. __________________ 2013 Toyota 86 GT M/T 2009 Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 Edition (sold) 1991 Mazda MX5 Miata (sold) 2007 Mitsubishi Evo 9 RS (sold) 2006 VW Golf R32 (sold)

05-23-2012, 01:53 AM	#8
86'd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2012 WRX Sedan Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511 Thanks: 25 Thanked 97 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	TRD designation is really nothing like Honda's Type R. The Type R designation is Honda basically turning a otherwise basic economy car, stripping it down, putting in a or modifying the engine until it's a streetable race car. And selling it like that. AFAIK Toyota never sold a TRD car from the factory. I could be wrong though, as I've been a life long Honda owner. TRD to me, if anything, is like HFP. With all of that being said, I love the FD2 and wish they made it here in the states. Too bad it would have cost as much as an STI here too. So FRS it is.

05-23-2012, 02:51 AM	#9
Nardi330 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: 86 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 2,168 Thanks: 287 Thanked 374 Times in 264 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	haven't driven both FD2R and 86 but i'd pick 86 becos it's a ground up design sports car while the FD2R is a hot up family sedan (a good one too) which has a few compromise. however i will be able to try my fd's FD2R later this year and i will report back.

05-27-2012, 12:32 PM	#12
EvoTME Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: vw polo gti Location: Brianza Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the fd2 is one (together with the itr and megane rs) of the greatest fwd ever made. Around a rece track is is much more quicker than the twins (the ctr can set 1.08 around Tsukuba); yes is still a fwd BUT, like Drift King said, "it is a racing car, a racing car with number plates". Its NA k20 is absoulutely mad when it is in the VTEC zone, the same thing cannot be said for the FA20 sadly.

05-27-2012, 01:30 PM	#14
ultra Curious cat. Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 86 GT base M/T - Red Location: Dubai Posts: 775 Thanks: 840 Thanked 383 Times in 191 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I believe that the JDM Type R cars (at least the Mugen RR) have an LSD to cure precisely that issue. Gets them out of the corners really well too. __________________ 2013 Toyota 86 GT M/T 2009 Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 Edition (sold) 1991 Mazda MX5 Miata (sold) 2007 Mitsubishi Evo 9 RS (sold) 2006 VW Golf R32 (sold)

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