2022+ specific oil coolers

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by X25

Right, but if the oil is no longer lubricating sufficiently, then you'd also see elevated presence of metals in oil as evidence of wear in bearings. I definitely plan to get some analysis done on this platform, too.

Which, UOA already shows and has been proven time and time again over many decades.

[X25]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Which, UOA already shows and has been proven time and time again over many decades.

Does it mean oil analysis? Anyway, I've got multiple samples tested on '16 C7 Z51 with multiple track days and below mid 280s degrees F on 0W-40, and multiple tests on '14 Camaro SS 1LE at temps below 290s degrees F, and there was no abnormal wear item whatsoever.

C7 Z51 thread:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ack-build.html

Camaro SS 1LE thread:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375406

My BRZ does not have enough miles on it yet, but I'm definitely planning on getting it tested, too. I'd love to share the results. I do not exceed 270s degrees F at the track, similar to pretty much every other car I've used at the track, except perhaps the '06 C6 Z06, which ran cooler.

[quikag]

Originally Posted by X25

Does it mean oil analysis? Anyway, I've got multiple samples tested on '16 C7 Z51 with multiple track days and below mid 280s degrees F on 0W-40, and multiple tests on '14 Camaro SS 1LE at temps below 290s degrees F, and there was no abnormal wear item whatsoever.

C7 Z51 thread:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ack-build.html

Camaro SS 1LE thread:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375406

My BRZ does not have enough miles on it yet, but I'm definitely planning on getting it tested, too. I'd love to share the results. I do not exceed 270s degrees F at the track, similar to pretty much every other car I've used at the track, except perhaps the '06 C6 Z06, which ran cooler.

Same, I've rocked a C5, a C6 Z51, and my current (going on 12 years) '10 ZR1 with a ton of track time using 5W-30 Mobil 1 synthetic and oil temps regularly in the 270-295F range and have had zero engine issues over the past 20 years tracking.

Synthetic oil is fine at 270F IMHO. Those who want to potentially compromise warranty coverage and get oil temps down some by going aftermarket cooler, go for it! I'll sleep like a baby knowing my BRZ can get up to 270F-ish with synthetic oil on the track.

[Robertw]

Wondering if Jackson Racing will release a dual radiator / oil cooler like they have for the 1st gen. Could be a decent compromise for NA folks, should def be the cheapest option.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by X25

Does it mean oil analysis? Anyway, I've got multiple samples tested on '16 C7 Z51 with multiple track days and below mid 280s degrees F on 0W-40, and multiple tests on '14 Camaro SS 1LE at temps below 290s degrees F, and there was no abnormal wear item whatsoever.

C7 Z51 thread:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ack-build.html

Camaro SS 1LE thread:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375406

My BRZ does not have enough miles on it yet, but I'm definitely planning on getting it tested, too. I'd love to share the results. I do not exceed 270s degrees F at the track, similar to pretty much every other car I've used at the track, except perhaps the '06 C6 Z06, which ran cooler.

Originally Posted by quikag

Same, I've rocked a C5, a C6 Z51, and my current (going on 12 years) '10 ZR1 with a ton of track time using 5W-30 Mobil 1 synthetic and oil temps regularly in the 270-295F range and have had zero engine issues over the past 20 years tracking.

Synthetic oil is fine at 270F IMHO. Those who want to potentially compromise warranty coverage and get oil temps down some by going aftermarket cooler, go for it! I'll sleep like a baby knowing my BRZ can get up to 270F-ish with synthetic oil on the track.

Those are much more robust engines.

As for an aftermarket cooler, I'll be if you lunch a bearing with an aftermarket cooler on the car they are going to blame it and deny the claim.

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by Robertw

Wondering if Jackson Racing will release a dual radiator / oil cooler like they have for the 1st gen. Could be a decent compromise for NA folks, should def be the cheapest option.

They already have - I ordered last week and will pickup soon from their shop. But I don't believe it is the cheapest option ($999).

[JDMChris]

On a good oil, yes it can take the heat without damaging the engine. BUT, you know how much power you are losing from the ECU pulling all of the timing because it is seeing oil that hot? Takes all of the fun out of a track day, unless you are already slow and don't notice it.

[X25]

Originally Posted by JDMChris

On a good oil, yes it can take the heat without damaging the engine. BUT, you know how much power you are losing from the ECU pulling all of the timing because it is seeing oil that hot? Takes all of the fun out of a track day, unless you are already slow and don't notice it.

I have not seen ECUs pull time based on oil temps. It's usually done based on intake and coolant temps. There's usually only a "limp mode" that can be triggered with too high oil temps.

Don't know much about BRZ's specific ECU, though.

[JDMChris]

Originally Posted by X25

I have not seen ECUs pull time based on oil temps. It's usually done based on intake and coolant temps. There's usually only a "limp mode" that can be triggered with too high oil temps.

Don't know much about BRZ's specific ECU, though.

I have not seen a modern ECU that doesn't pull timing when Oil temps get too hot.

[Pat]

Well this is an interesting point. I'm hoping someone smarter than me (or JDMChris and X25) can tell us for sure how the second gen cars manage timing with relation to oil temps.
@CSG Mike

[JDMChris]

Originally Posted by Pat

Well this is an interesting point. I'm hoping someone smarter than me (or JDMChris and X25) can tell us for sure how the second gen cars manage timing with relation to oil temps.
@CSG Mike

In all fairness, I haven't dealt with a muscle car ECU. Maybe American car companies just say SEND IT! FRS/86/GR86/BRZ, ND Miata, Civic Type R all DO pull timing based on oil temp.

[DarkSunrise]

FWIW I never saw any timing compensation tables on the 1st gen that referenced oil temps. Coolant temps, yes. IAT, yes. But not oil temps.

This was using romraider and OFT. 2nd gen may be different.

[ZDan]

I don't notice timing being pulled on my '17. Terminal speeds at ends of straights are same on lap 4+ at fully developed oil temps (270-275F) as on 1st hot lap at 225F

[CSG Mike]

Rear world example.

2nd gen pulls on a S2k on a roll race. 8 roll races later, the 2nd gen is now losing to the s2k.

Alternatively, many back to back pulls of a 2nd gen on a dyno reveals a consistent drop in output.

Is it the oil temp or something else? Who knows.