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You didn't have other qualifiers, but now you are adding acceleration, range and production numbers to your list of qualifiers to go along with "less than 3500lbs". I don't know how production numbers or popularity matters, but the car did sell 31k units in the US in 2019, which is on par or higher than the 86, so I don't really get your point. Maybe it would be worth defining your statements, so we don't waste time with a back and forth that ends in a redefining of the original statement. Active/torque vectoring differentials are outlawed in F1, are on many exotics and sports vehicles like the ISF, Focus RS, Porsche and Supra/M cars to name a few. Are all these sporty vehicles inherently flawed? The point of the conversation about noise is that noise is already fake, so not much is changing. Get a turbo whistle or speaker like ICE vehicles do. Quote:
https://www.motor1.com/news/515992/n...brid-electric/ Again, you seem to have certain metrics in your mind that you qualify as a sports car, as in a certain amount of performance, yet you also want range and lightweight and who knows what else. Oh yeah, you want it to be popular. If this sports car is suppose to be a sports car then we are classically talking about something that is lightweight, two-seater, good-handling roadster, or in the case of sports coupe, something with a hardtop, but acceleration isn't necessarily a given. The Miata and 86 are underpowered, but they perform well. If I had an EV that was 2500lbs, had three gears to row, handled well, had direct steering, was well balanced, was fun, and was something sweet to look at, then I would be happy. Range, acceleration, etc aren't requirements for it to be an EV sports car, but they are perks or dealbreakers for some.
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Pretty sure is using prismatic cells, which is configuration of a lithium-ion battery used in many EVs. Prismatic cells are what they sell and use on their Porsche conversion.
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[QUOTE]Active/torque vectoring differentials are outlawed in F1, are on many exotics and sports vehicles like the ISF, Focus RS, Porsche and Supra/M cars to name a few. Are all these sporty vehicles inherently flawed? [QUOTE] The Focus RS absolutely is inherently flawed. Without the vectoring its handling would be reflective of it's weight imbalance. Plenty of cars handle fine without the vectoring, that aren't flawed, but its still an option for them as well. I'm saying the ones that are flawed need it in order to handle proper. It's a bandaid. My GTI is guilty of that as well. But I bought it to be a DD grocery getter so whatever, I don't have any allusions about it being some great performance vehicle. Porsche made the 2nd gen Cayman larger, and as a result the only way they made it as nimble as the first gen was to offer torque vectoring as an option. So I would consider that a flaw yes. It's also the same reason a chunky 992 911 is able to hang with lighter more mechanically pure driving 911s of years before. Quote:
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At one point in time we had the Miata, the Solstice, the Sky, the MR2, Boxster, and others. Has so much changed that this market is gone forever? I don't think so. I wouldn't be surprised if these type of cars get even more traction. Why? 800hp large, sports sedans and pony cars aren't a big deal. Powerful EVs will destroy them anyways and naturally replace them. Many enthusiasts are gravitating to old platforms and lightweight cars. They are better for autocross and track days than a Redeye. I think a Redeye was almost identical to a Miata around a test track in a review that I saw, despite the power. Aero, lightweight, grip and handling will be more important, which is doable with a lightweight EV. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility. In fact, the modular structure of the skateboard design will lend itself to multiple different shells.
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Again, the point of the BMW i3 is to demonstrate that EVs aren't necessarily heavy. A different form factor version of the BMW i3 in a sports car format could be even lighter. Range and speed aren't necessary for a sports car. Going to the track is a consideration for enthusiasts, but not really on the list of concerns when producing an affordable sports car. The vast majority of Miatas and 86s never see a track or get a single modification. I don't see why an EV would be different. An EV Miata is totally doable with today's technology and still be compelling. It might even sell alongside an ICE version, and it could do well, especially at autocross or for short tracks, but it would be even better as a no-fuss weekend Sunday driver that would need little maintenance. For anyone in a city like me with a 3 mile commute, and who is 30 minutes from the coast and who has a two hour loop for canyon driving, 150-200 mile range is more than enough.
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The first Tesla roadster was over 2800lbs, around the same as heaviest i3.
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I don't understand why? Admittedly there are no cheap performance hybrids, but there's nothing to say they couldn't implement an electric motor that would benefit the performance characteristics. I'm a little surprised the GR86 wasn't developed in this way. After all there are plenty of mild 48v Hybrids out there.
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The Miata is going electric not because the market is asking for it, but because it's the only way the Miata will survive. A hybrid BRZ would be more expensive and almost impossible to sell next to the gas version. Once they're unable to sell gas only cars the hybrid may become an option out of necessity, or the model will be discontinued. I could be wrong but an entry level sports car is a hard enough sell at 30k, let alone 35-40k for a hybrid version. Remember the Supra starts at 44k. |
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