What changes thru the years

[~el~jefe~]

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[HKz]

OP opens a thread for well documented changes posted all over the interwebz just to give us a low blow about the "torque dip" and how "bad" it must be for the pre-refreshed models....don't think he'll last long here..



I learned to downshift and upshift at the redline, still haven't been stuck in torque dip land..

[Rabrooks]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Don't let the torque dip talk worry you.

If your plodding around on the street you never notice it, and if your leaning on the car it's never in that rev range anyway.

The torque dip has been marketed well by aftermarket parts manufactures and suppliers though.

Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment. The first time I drove the car, I put my foot in it as I do regularly with all my cars. And the dead spot slapped me in the face. And you can feel the car come back alive at 4500 on my car.

[Rabrooks]

Originally Posted by Vital

If you did the research you wouldnt need to make this thread...

I was searching for a car for my wife. I had been looking at used M3's. Just left a 2011 test drive and was very disappointed. The only thing that car had going for it was the DCT trans and the awesome sound.
I gave up on the search, stopped at the Subaru dealer and bought the car. They didn't even have the car yet. As I knew it would be my wife's car, I wasn't too concerned about what the car would turn out to be. A bit of an impulse buy I suppose. I'm not having buyers remorse. I'm just stating my findings and trying to learn what I can about the car.

So as you can see, I didn't know what a BRZ was until I bought one. It appears any negativity about this thread seems to be that no onw has noticed the good things I said about the car.

[Rabrooks]

Originally Posted by HKz

OP opens a thread for well documented changes posted all over the interwebz just to give us a low blow about the "torque dip" and how "bad" it must be for the pre-refreshed models....don't think he'll last long here.

Come on team, I'm not here to make enemies. I'm just stating what I feel in the car. So in case you were put off and moved on before you finished reading my post, below is a snippet of what you must have missed.

"I do enjoy the car. The balance is great. the "turn in" and "set" is about as good as any car I've ever driven. The rear rotation at turn in is just right. I look forward to my next track day. This will be my first track experience with a low hp car. Should be fun in the corners
Cheers"

See you at the track.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by HKz

OP opens a thread for well documented changes posted all over the interwebz just to give us a low blow about the "torque dip" and how "bad" it must be for the pre-refreshed models....don't think he'll last long here..



I learned to downshift and upshift at the redline, still haven't been stuck in torque dip land..

You know full well you don’t get “stuck” in torque dip land. You come out on the other side eventually...

It’s not a “major” problem but I’d still prefer that it wasn’t there.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Rabrooks

Come on team, I'm not here to make enemies. I'm just stating what I feel in the car. So in case you were put off and moved on before you finished reading my post, below is a snippet of what you must have missed.

"I do enjoy the car. The balance is great. the "turn in" and "set" is about as good as any car I've ever driven. The rear rotation at turn in is just right. I look forward to my next track day. This will be my first track experience with a low hp car. Should be fun in the corners
Cheers"

See you at the track.

ya could have left it at that, great handling....the torque dip crap is so old and boring to read...it is triggering because first off ya bought a car with a small NA engine....and in practice it is a load of crap! If you can "feel" the torque dip, then ya need to downshift the way I typically drive, once my car is warmed up I take first all the way to redline and when I shift into 2nd it is at around 5K RPM, above the "torque dip"....and remember I got the engine with the "major dip"!

Originally Posted by new2subaru

You know full well you don’t get “stuck” in torque dip land. You come out on the other side eventually...

It’s not a “major” problem but I’d still prefer that it wasn’t there.

eh well the way most people describe it, to me it sounds like they are eternally stuck in torque dip land so much so that apparently keeping the revs between 5 to 7 K is no longer viable. maybe some folks here are truly stuck in torque dip limbo??

[86MLR]

Meh, it's a cheap sports coupe with a flat 4 in a niche market that makes more NA power stock than most/all other new cars in its price point.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Meh, it's a cheap sports coupe with a flat 4 in a niche market that makes more NA power stock than most/all other new cars in its price point.

exactly...what engines are people comparing the FA20 to? To me the most comparable engine is the F20C...but the S2000 was a 30K+ car almost 2 decades ago and it isn't dramatically any faster than a twin...they virtually have the same amount of wheel torque. And in order to fit that engine and have a great balance, the hood had to be long AF, only got 2 seats and a small trunk..the twin's packaging has to be respected..

[soundman98]

i've always enjoyed the torque dip, because it provides a very clear difference between 'cruising' and 'gimme dat on-ramp'

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rabrooks

Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment. The first time I drove the car, I put my foot in it as I do regularly with all my cars. And the dead spot slapped me in the face. And you can feel the car come back alive at 4500 on my car.

It is a 10% drop for a 10th of a second at high acceleration. If that slaps you in the face then you must be very sensitive.

[Lantanafrs2]

You did buy a manual transmission?

[CrowsFeast]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is a 10% drop for a 10th of a second at high acceleration. If that slaps you in the face then you must be very sensitive.

Then I must be very sensitive and/or the torque dip gets worse with age. When I'm just giv'n 'er a bit more on the street I don't plan on keeping it around redline the whole time; I like to use the mid-range RPM, right where the dip is. That and some of the creature comforts are what make me miss my E46 zhp.

I do need to get more track time with this thing to hopefully make me fall in love (should be able to keep out of the dip there, unless the gearing is really unsuited to the track). The first (and only so far) was a 3 lap start that ended without an engine.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Rabrooks

I was searching for a car for my wife. I had been looking at used M3's. Just left a 2011 test drive and was very disappointed. The only thing that car had going for it was the DCT trans and the awesome sound.
I gave up on the search, stopped at the Subaru dealer and bought the car. They didn't even have the car yet. As I knew it would be my wife's car, I wasn't too concerned about what the car would turn out to be. A bit of an impulse buy I suppose. I'm not having buyers remorse. I'm just stating my findings and trying to learn what I can about the car.

So as you can see, I didn't know what a BRZ was until I bought one. It appears any negativity about this thread seems to be that no onw has noticed the good things I said about the car.

You said in your first post in this thread that you did search, don't back track now and try to tell a story as a distraction.

Yes I know, I did search. Thanks