Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[qitorr]

With all the new installs and dynos coming in (they are awesome, thanks for that) would it be possible to see back to back pulls with the ESC and then disengaged? It would be great to see the gains not attributed to other power mods.

Guess tune would have to be swapped as well. :-)

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by qitorr

With all the new installs and dynos coming in (they are awesome, thanks for that) would it be possible to see back to back pulls with the ESC and then disengaged? It would be great to see the gains not attributed to other power mods.

Guess tune would have to be swapped as well. ��

Should be similar to the first page results. Your biggest gains with the ESC is from the ESC itself. All other mods, other than the accompanying tune add minimal benefit.

[qitorr]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Should be similar to the first page results. Your biggest gains with the ESC is from the ESC itself. All other mods, other than the accompanying tune add minimal benefit.

Agreed, those dynos are good, vs stock is very important. However, many of us have already invested in some NA mods and seeing the additional benefits of the Phantom after those changes would be wonderful.

[qitorr]

There is most definitely a hard celing with what you can accomplish with a NA build but you can push a decent improvement. Especially with quality headers. The new Ace products have really awakened a friend's car. I have JDL unequal length and am enjoying them they have already overcome the torque dip that would also be a nice benefit of the Phantom if you were coming from stock.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by qitorr

Agreed, those dynos are good, vs stock is very important. However, many of us have already invested in some NA mods and seeing the additional benefits of the Phantom after those changes would be wonderful.

Ask and yee shall receive. I have some dyno's completely stock...then stage 1 with header and track pipe, then with everything installed. Same dyno.

Let me dig them up.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by qitorr

There is most definitely a hard celing with what you can accomplish with a NA build but you can push a decent improvement. Especially with quality headers. The new Ace products have really awakened a friend's car. I have JDL unequal length and am enjoying them they have already overcome the torque dip that would also be a nice benefit of the Phantom if you were coming from stock.

See below what we found while on the dyno(last year). Disregard the top dips in the boosted run, we found out that was due to a faulty coil pack(ECU was thowing fault codes when boosted until we fixed and replaced it at a later day).

The other two runs are Stock(Bone stock, nothing installed) and Bolt ons stock.

The bolt ons were a OpenFlash Header(catless) and also a namesless track pipe. You can see that the Mod's mostly helped on the bottom end, not so much on the top end. I think if we tuned more for our alititude and fuel we may have got better results on the stage 1 run.

I have split out Power and Torque as it was pretty confusing looking with so many runs stacked on top.

All runs are on Husky 94octane with 10% ethanol.

WHP



WTQ

[keen as]

procede question,

I want to have switchable maps (I know the system is not designed for the track, however I want to try partial boost for most of the track and full boost just for the straight).
I want partial boost with procede and with a flick of a switch, the option to use the pedal switch for full boost.
I wonder if I can tap the signal wire of the procede with the food switch wire with a proposed new switch (interceptor mode!!!)


Will the procede be OK with a 5V signal externally tapped in from the pedal switch when I go full throttle?


Or should I have 2 separate, switchable circuits for the ESC controller. One circuit from Procede (with partial boost map) and the other circuit from throttle switch (with full boost available)?

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by keen as

procede question,

I want to have switchable maps (I know the system is not designed for the track, however I want to try partial boost for most of the track and full boost just for the straight).
I want partial boost with procede and with a flick of a switch, the option to use the pedal switch for full boost.
I wonder if I can tap the signal wire of the procede with the food switch wire with a proposed new switch (interceptor mode!!!)


Will the procede be OK with a 5V signal externally tapped in from the pedal switch when I go full throttle?


Or should I have 2 separate, switchable circuits for the ESC controller. One circuit from Procede (with partial boost map) and the other circuit from throttle switch (with full boost available)?

I think I know how to to do this. Gimme about an hour or so.


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[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by keen as

procede question,

I want to have switchable maps (I know the system is not designed for the track, however I want to try partial boost for most of the track and full boost just for the straight).
I want partial boost with procede and with a flick of a switch, the option to use the pedal switch for full boost.
I wonder if I can tap the signal wire of the procede with the food switch wire with a proposed new switch (interceptor mode!!!)


Will the procede be OK with a 5V signal externally tapped in from the pedal switch when I go full throttle?


Or should I have 2 separate, switchable circuits for the ESC controller. One circuit from Procede (with partial boost map) and the other circuit from throttle switch (with full boost available)?

Use the Procede and you already have that. You're not going to hold the pedal to the floor during corners, but you can on the straights, so program accordingly, 100% boost is only in the last column, so when the throttle is held to the floor it gives 100% and the rest of the time a variable percentage less than that. Don't forget that just switching off the Procede won't work, because it has to initialize for 30 seconds.

[keen as]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Use the Procede and you already have that. You're not going to hold the pedal to the floor during corners, but you can on the straights, so program accordingly, 100% boost is only in the last column, so when the throttle is held to the floor it gives 100% and the rest of the time a variable percentage less than that. Don't forget that just switching off the Procede won't work, because it has to initialize for 30 seconds.

I will install the procede. I agree with you. However, the way I drive the car on the circuit, I use full throttle on lots of parts of the circuit including ministraights. I want partial boost for these so I can save the battery charge to use full boost for the long straight followed by a fast corner, then another straight.


I assume this will make dump battery charge management and controller/electric heat management better.

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by keen as

I will install the procede. I agree with you. However, the way I drive the car on the circuit, I use full throttle on lots of parts of the circuit including ministraights. I want partial boost for these so I can save the battery charge to use full boost for the long straight followed by a fast corner, then another straight.


I assume this will make dump battery charge management and controller/electric heat management better.

The map can do all of that. Keep the boost between -95 and -50 from 1000 to 3750 RPMs, and that will keep the batteries charged, then ramp up from there. Use an auxiliary charger and that will help. I've found it's more important to program the right amount of boost, because too much won't give any more power if the RPM's aren't high enough.

[keen as]

All good points and a very good work around. I agree, the map can do that if I am good at staying off full throttle. However, I want to keep the same accelerator pedal behaviour, including full throttle at all relevant parts of the track, but only use full boost on the straight.


I am yet to try my ideas. I want to know if there is info/data about the connections to the Procede that I have described above.

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

The map can do all of that. Keep the boost between -95 and -50 from 1000 to 3750 RPMs, and that will keep the batteries charged, then ramp up from there. Use an auxiliary charger and that will help. I've found it's more important to program the right amount of boost, because too much won't give any more power if the RPM's aren't high enough.

[KoolBRZ]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. There are -100 cells along the bottom row to make sure it is charging at low RPM's, and at 10, 20, and 30% throttle at high RPM's to ensure that the boost won't inhibit the RPM drop needed to syncro the next gear. When you rev up and clutch to shift, you want the RPM's to drop quickly so the syncros will allow you to engage the next gear quickly.

[Sojhinn]

Phantom for sale: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94193