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01-25-2016, 04:22 PM | #1 |
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a/f command problem
So ive been using, logging and tuning on oft since just about when it was released for this car but ive never encountered this problem. I went turbo about 3 months back and put on shivs base map, it seem to run fine and log fine for a while but recently its started to give weird readings while cruising.
On start up the car will only go as high as 14.2 when it should be 14.7, after about 10 min of driving i will notice it creeping richer and richer until its about 12.9 at partial throttle actual af and commanded. around this point the car will little by little stay in closed loop longer and the command will read 15.05 but actual af will be 12s-13s light throttle. During full throttle it sometimes goes to open loop and af actual and command is normally about right. I have no fault codes and no noticed exhaust leaks. I have tried different maps and reflashing it. shiv is leaning towards 02 sensor but id like to know if anyone has some knowledge on this before i drop a couple hundred on a sensor. this is a pic of it cruising on the highway, fully warmed up.
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i believe you can set your limits and scaling inside romraider
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commanded afr is the afr the ecu is targeting
afr is the measeured afr at front o2 sensor maybe check maf is clean, no intake leaks check catch cans an pcv valves etc if its a boost leak past maf, maf will meter the air then some lost so it will run rich as less air getting to engine than maf saw. yep you can rescale front o2 to read down to about 10 afr with reasnoble accuracy, stock scaling stops at about 12 from memory |
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Is it possible that the AFR difference he is seeing is due to thr fact that the stock ecu cant read far enough in either direction to match the commanded AFR? |
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afaik Commanded AFR of 15 shouldn't happen unless it's cutting fuel e.g. you're decelerating.
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yes it very weird the ecu commanded afr is 15 and engine load 0.48,
i dont know whats in tune tables but it very difficult to get the ecu to target anything leaner than 14.7 under load The open loop fuel table generally wont let you target anthing leaner than 14.7 and closed loop table is an offset from 14.7 ie values are generally negitive eg -0.3 in closed loop table ,ecu will target 14.7 - 0.3=14.4 if you put positive values or zero in the closed loop table then weird stuff happens ltft is disabled. also i once messed up my closed loop table by highlighting entire table and applying an offset in romraider it leaned out all the cells richer than 14.7 , and the cells at 14.7 showed 14.7 , but when i drove the car it targeted rearly lean values. I had to copy in a fresh table to fix it even though it looked ok something was weird. if you try to enter values leaner than 14.7 manually romraider wont allow it. maybe it a rearly weird tune corruption Last edited by steve99; 01-26-2016 at 05:08 PM. |
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the stock o2 sensor scaling will read as lean as 20 on deceleration fuel cut.
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here is a log of it if you wanted to take a peak. maybe kodename has an idea (i dont know how to tag people on here)
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i did not study logs when i had that open loop table issue but it did similar thing, kodename 47 is on holidays sking to tag just put @ infront of username |
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this maybe why people dont see it they only log just after a flash possibly and not after a week or so. |
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