Feel safe at the track without safety equipment? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

iLuveKetchup · 02-26-2013, 10:47 AM

Do you feel safe tracking the twins without safety equipment - cage, hans, seats, etc.? I am looking to liquidate my track, autox, & daily driver into one car - the BRZ or FR-S. My main concern is safety at the track. Granted I do not see myself heading back to the track anytime soon, atleast not until I move to California (1.5yrs out)... so the BRZ will be the autox & DD in the near future. I would like to avoid selling an already setup track car, only to start over again with the heats, harness, etc.

Dave-ROR · 02-26-2013, 11:09 AM

Yes and No...

I feel safe because I'm not racing the car and therefore am not seeking those last tenths (or hell even seconds). Can something happen? Absolutely. That's a risk I am taking and it's why I'm leaving all the OEM safety systems in place. However we all know that the chance of something going wrong goes up quite a bit the more you push so I do hold back more than I do in the race car (which of course has a cage, fire suppression, HANS being worn, containment seat, etc).

Honestly I'm toying with the idea of a full DE toy car which will have safety equipment in it but I like tracking the BRZ too much so far to do so

CSG Mike · 02-26-2013, 11:16 AM

Unless you have a full HALO seat + 6 point + HANS (or similar) + airbag delete, you're probably better off leaving everything alone.

My only wish is to make a custom rail to lower the stock seat. The stock seat, frankly, is AWESOME for lateral support. 5'7", ~170lbs, and it fits me perfectly.

-Mike

iLuveKetchup · 02-26-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Unless you have a full HALO seat + 6 point + HANS (or similar) + airbag delete, you're probably better off leaving everything alone.

-Mike

I know to leave all OEM. But do you feel safe with OEM equipment?

akuhei · 02-26-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

I know to leave all OEM. But do you feel safe with OEM equipment?

I've only been to one track event (last weekend, still working on a writeup/videos from NOLA Motorsports park), but I felt safe out there on the track with OEM safety features. And the first day it was wet. Might feel different on a different track, but I doubt it.

CSG Mike · 02-26-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

I know to leave all OEM. But do you feel safe with OEM equipment?

I'd feel better with a roll bar, but that would go for any car. We haven't really seen any roll-overs with the FR-S/BRZ, so who knows how strong the A/B pillars are.

On the other hand, Subarus are known for exceptionally strong chassis...

ayau · 02-27-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Do you feel safe tracking the twins without safety equipment - cage, hans, seats, etc.? I am looking to liquidate my track, autox, & daily driver into one car - the BRZ or FR-S. My main concern is safety at the track. Granted I do not see myself heading back to the track anytime soon, atleast not until I move to California (1.5yrs out)... so the BRZ will be the autox & DD in the near future. I would like to avoid selling an already setup track car, only to start over again with the heats, harness, etc.

We're back to discussing this again? lol

Aren't you building a STR s2k CR right now?

7thgear · 02-27-2013, 11:23 AM

i have never feared for my life on a race track and i don't have any safety equipment outside my helmet.

i have, however, felt deep and crippling fear for my bank account whenever the car got squirly or (on rare occasions) left the pavement.

CSG Mike · 02-27-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau

We're back to discussing this again? lol

Aren't you building a STR s2k CR right now?

Nothing wrong with bringing a STR CR to SoCal... we have a GINORMOUS autox population (and an equally large track population...)

And it's just another thread for us to occupy the day with :p

iLuveKetchup · 02-27-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau

We're back to discussing this again? lol

Aren't you building a STR s2k CR right now?

Yea this is what happens when I don't drive the car for months. Stupid winter! I know I'll change my mind after the first autox event.

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Originally Posted by 7thgear

i have, however, felt deep and crippling fear for my bank account whenever the car got squirly or (on rare occasions) left the pavement.

lol

CSG Mike · 02-27-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Yea this is what happens when I don't drive the car for months. Stupid winter! I know I'll change my mind after the first autox event.

I've noticed some AutoX guys come to the dark side....

iLuveKetchup · 02-27-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Nothing wrong with bringing a STR CR to SoCal... we have a GINORMOUS autox population (and an equally large track population...)

And it's just another thread for us to occupy the day with :p

I'd go to the track over autox if I were in SoCal. It's cheaper to track & there are tons of competitors.

Plus it's like the wild west, there are no safety restrictions. lol

rice_classic · 02-27-2013, 12:55 PM

I could be on the track in the FRS completely naked at speed and feel safer than I do driving in traffic in WA State.

Just Sayin'

Dave-ROR · 02-27-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Plus it's like the wild west, there are no safety restrictions. lol

LOL I'm not sure I'd brag about that part.

02-26-2013, 10:47 AM	#1
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02-26-2013, 11:09 AM	#2
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Yes and No... I feel safe because I'm not racing the car and therefore am not seeking those last tenths (or hell even seconds). Can something happen? Absolutely. That's a risk I am taking and it's why I'm leaving all the OEM safety systems in place. However we all know that the chance of something going wrong goes up quite a bit the more you push so I do hold back more than I do in the race car (which of course has a cage, fire suppression, HANS being worn, containment seat, etc). Honestly I'm toying with the idea of a full DE toy car which will have safety equipment in it but I like tracking the BRZ too much so far to do so __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

02-27-2013, 11:23 AM	#8
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	i have never feared for my life on a race track and i don't have any safety equipment outside my helmet. i have, however, felt deep and crippling fear for my bank account whenever the car got squirly or (on rare occasions) left the pavement. __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

02-27-2013, 12:55 PM	#13
rice_classic Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Nevermorange FRS Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,160 Thanks: 755 Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,803 Posts Mentioned: 77 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I could be on the track in the FRS completely naked at speed and feel safer than I do driving in traffic in WA State. Just Sayin' __________________ SCCA T4 - FRS

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,530 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,177 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Unless you have a full HALO seat + 6 point + HANS (or similar) + airbag delete, you're probably better off leaving everything alone. My only wish is to make a custom rail to lower the stock seat. The stock seat, frankly, is AWESOME for lateral support. 5'7", ~170lbs, and it fits me perfectly. -Mike

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