Porsche 991 GT3

[flais]

Hello, yesterday tracked a GT3 after having tracked my own FR-S many times.

1. Brakes: can be matched in aftermarket
2: Weight: much heavier; doesn't feel as good through the esses
3. Suspension: Leagues ahead in the gt3. Put some Penskes or ttx36's in to catch up.
4. Polar center of mass: Different, but the chassis largely compensates. The rear engine can't be ignored.
5. Power: Who cares. Massive advantage to the gt3.
6. Ergos: For very tall drivers, the range and ability of adjustment of the cockpit is perfect.
7. Transmission: The PDK is of course perfect in that you all always be on the optimal gear. It isn't transparent either, you will feel the jumps during acceleration,
8. Appearance: The Porsche for me, but this is subjective.
9. Maintenance/Cost of ownership: Big disadvantage to the gt3.

[jflogerzi]

$$$$ is all I see when taking the 997 GT3 to the track. Also I would say 90% of the drivers here could not even exploit the twins at the track let alone the GT3. IMO If you are a track junkie who only has room for 1 car, the twins are it. Easy to work on, very little needs to be done out of the box and they are getting pretty cheap used atm.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

$$$$ is all I see when taking the 997 GT3 to the track. Also I would say 90% of the drivers here could not even exploit the twins at the track let alone the GT3[1]. IMO If you are a track junkie who only has room for 1 car, the twins are it[2]. Easy to work on, very little needs to be done out of the box and they are getting pretty cheap used atm.[3]

1/ While I agree with this there is the satisfaction of driving a Porsche. At track days it isn't about the times, it is about your driving, your fun. At the last Porsche track day I went to I was faster than all the Porsches but that doesn't detract from the people who enjoyed driving without concern for speed limits.
2/ I am guessing most owners of GT3s have more than one car.
3/ Not as expensive to write off too.

[Turbowned]

I've been to a couple Porsche events since getting my C2S and have witnessed (among other things) several GT3's from 996 to the current 991. People drive these cars hard and put them away wet, and yes, they were quite a bit faster than the gaggle of FR-S/BRZ's that were also present. But yes, they cost a lot more to run, and pray you don't crash one or blow the engine. It really all comes down to budget. If I could afford a GT3 I'd get one, but I can't so I got a little ol' Carrera S... which I pray I don't crash or blow the engine

An FR-S/BRZ could definitely hang with a GT3 if it were set up right, but it would definitely cost some $$ and a lot of time to dial it all in. The GT3 already has it mostly figured out for the driver; just get in and go.

[shu5892001]

I didn't know 997 GT3s came with PDK, always thought they were manual only.

[wbradley]

I would hope the GT3 would drive like a professionally modded and tuned 86 platform at the very minimum. Otherwise it falsely represented.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by shu5892001

I didn't know 997 GT3s came with PDK, always thought they were manual only.

I think you're right; perhaps the OP is referring to the 991.

[Twin4Life]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

I think you're right; perhaps the OP is referring to the 991.

Pretty sure GT3 is PDk only.

[shu5892001]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

Pretty sure GT3 is PDk only.

997.1 and 997.2 GT3s only came in 6 speed iirc

[Twin4Life]

Originally Posted by shu5892001

997.1 and 997.2 GT3s only came in 6 speed iirc

On their website its PDK only.

[WolfpackS2k]

Only the 991 GT3 is PDK only. I'm fairly certain it wasn't even an option for the 997 GT3.

All you guys talking about being worried about the cost of crashing one at the track...ever heard of this thing called track insurance?

And sorry, but no FT86 will ever be able to match the braking capabilities of the GT3 due to its engine placement.

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[Turbowned]

997 GT3 and GT3 RS:

http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/10...3-RS_Specs.pdf

991 GT3:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...turesandspecs/

My goodness those 997.2 GT3 RS specs make me drool... I'd love to have another 100bhp, 130 fewer pounds of weight, 6 piston brakes with 380mm front rotors, and an extra 10mph top speed. Doubtful if it's worth the extra hundred grand or so over my 997.1 C2S though, if you ask me.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

1/ No. I wasn't aware of such a thing as track insurance. Certainly in Australia it doesn't exist.
2/ I guess you haven't seen exotica being poorly driven. Like many people you only see the capability of the car. It is the car and driver that makes a car fast. At the Porsche track days I have attended I am faster than the majority of Porsches. The rear bias weight doesn't make up for the fact that the owner's can't/won't drive.

Track insurance is available in the States. We also have way too much liability and litigation here with regards to event insurance and thus, event entry cost, so I wouldn't be in the least bit jealous.

See plenty of slow people under-using fast cars. I guess at least they're trying, rather than driving them to the local Starbucks? Saw an 89yr-old guy auto-x'ing his 996 C4S (very slowly), made me happy that he was still out there giving it his all, though.

[shu5892001]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

On their website its PDK only.

OP mentioned 997, not 991.