NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 09:33 PM

EDIT: NA meaning STOCK INTERNALS

Specs:
2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

Summerwolf · 07-24-2018, 09:33 PM

This is common......

SuperTom · 07-24-2018, 09:36 PM

man you are going to blow the welds on the manifold

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperTom

man you are going to blow the welds on the manifold

Are you for real? I'm a 20 year old noob, can't tell if you're kidding.

SuperTom · 07-24-2018, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxlx

Are you for real? I'm a 20 year old noob, can't tell if you're kidding.

haha sorry didn't mean to pick on you. watch the first Fast N Furious

you must have edited your first post

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperTom

haha sorry didn't mean to pick on you. watch the first Fast N Furious

you must have edited your first post

So I'm looking to get 280-300 wheel horsepower. Is that optimal for stock internals or do I need to tone it down? Goal is speed and longevity. I want it to handle like a Porsche and have the power of a Mustang GT. Ofc it won't be as fast, but I want it to at least be faster than a 370z nismo stock since power to weight ratio.

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 10:20 PM

Specs:
2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 10:20 PM

Specs:
2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

SuperTom · 07-24-2018, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxlx

So I'm looking to get 280-300 wheel horsepower. Is that optimal for stock internals or do I need to tone it down? Goal is speed and longevity. I want it to handle like a Porsche and have the power of a Mustang GT. Ofc it won't be as fast, but I want it to at least be faster than a 370z nismo stock since power to weight ratio.

I have no idea your original post said you wanted 180 - 200 wheel horsepower

valtore101 · 07-24-2018, 10:33 PM

Your local tuning shop puts out a great turbo kit. Go talk to them and they will guide you. You’re looking at 8-10k for everything since you’re not installing yourself.

sxlx · 07-24-2018, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valtore101

Your local tuning shop puts out a great turbo kit. Go talk to them and they will guide you. You’re looking at 8-10k for everything since you’re not installing yourself.

I did talk to them. I discussed it with them in the shop today. They're asking for 11,000 with some other minor things. It is just not optimal for me to spend that much for a turbo. Plus I'd prefer naturally aspirated anyway. I just want to know if the FA20 stock internals can handle a supercharger that pushes 350 crank / 300 wheel.

Hags86 · 07-24-2018, 11:23 PM

In my view the answer is no, not reliably. Bent all 4 rods at 240 rwkw (320whp) after 7,000km.

It's a sh*!load of fun to drive though.

Cal3000 · 07-24-2018, 11:25 PM

Just keep the torque below 250 wtq and you will be fine. And go SC with flex fuel.

Impureclient · 07-24-2018, 11:50 PM

Why did you post this exact same thing in three separate areas in here?

07-24-2018, 09:33 PM	#1
sxlx 5w-30 User Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: blek Location: buhginia Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP? EDIT: NA meaning STOCK INTERNALS Specs: 2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles Goal: -Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor -Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then -Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles Background: -Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning -Budget: 7-8k -Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor Questions: 1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo? 2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock? 3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank? 4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA) 5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow? Last edited by sxlx; 07-25-2018 at 02:04 AM.

07-24-2018, 09:36 PM	#3
SuperTom Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: C5 Corvette, '17 Toyota 86, Jeep XJ Location: New Castle DE Posts: 1,500 Thanks: 1,436 Thanked 914 Times in 528 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	man you are going to blow the welds on the manifold __________________

07-24-2018, 10:20 PM	#7
sxlx 5w-30 User Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: blek Location: buhginia Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP? Specs: 2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles Goal: -Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor -Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then -Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles Background: -Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning -Budget: 7-8k -Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor Questions: 1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo? 2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock? 3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank? 4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA) 5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

07-24-2018, 10:20 PM	#8
sxlx 5w-30 User Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: blek Location: buhginia Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP? Specs: 2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles Goal: -Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor -Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then -Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles Background: -Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning -Budget: 7-8k -Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor Questions: 1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo? 2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock? 3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank? 4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA) 5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

07-24-2018, 11:25 PM	#13
Cal3000 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: Panda FR-S Location: Corona, California Posts: 531 Thanks: 297 Thanked 377 Times in 161 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just keep the torque below 250 wtq and you will be fine. And go SC with flex fuel. __________________ Vortech SC on 9psi Pulley, Invidia Catless Front Pipe, Invidia N1 Catback Exhaust 242whp/197ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (91 octane water) 284whp/223ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (E85) Delicious Tuning

07-24-2018, 09:33 PM	#2
Summerwolf Panda Trueno Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: No twin now. Location: North Indiana Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 2,113 Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,332 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	This is common......

07-24-2018, 10:33 PM	#10
valtore101 Member Join Date: May 2016 Drives: 2016 FR-S Location: Indiana Posts: 26 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Your local tuning shop puts out a great turbo kit. Go talk to them and they will guide you. You’re looking at 8-10k for everything since you’re not installing yourself.

07-24-2018, 11:23 PM	#12
Hags86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Toyota GTS 86 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 243 Thanks: 21 Thanked 118 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	In my view the answer is no, not reliably. Bent all 4 rods at 240 rwkw (320whp) after 7,000km. It's a sh*!load of fun to drive though.

07-24-2018, 11:50 PM	#14
Impureclient Banned Join Date: May 2015 Drives: 2015 FR-S Location: NPR, Florida Posts: 2,404 Thanks: 1,802 Thanked 2,903 Times in 1,282 Posts Mentioned: 25 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Why did you post this exact same thing in three separate areas in here?

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