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No worries, Obama's crew will have minimum wage up and a tune will $2000-$3000 dollar in no time. Enjoy happy hour while it's affordable.
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My tuner made no money on the license that was installed on my car.
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Do the math, I don't go to the track often due to my work schedule. But I can run an aftermarket header, and get a nice sounding car for under 1000, versus 1630 for ecutek and tomei or 2645 for ace and ecutek (again, before shipping and taxes). Plus, let's not forget the cost of tuning, and the pain in the ass of driving around 1.5 hours each way to get to a reliable tuner, so add in cost of gas and my time (which is very valuable, considering I get basically 5 days at home, to make up for everything I've missed over the past 25 days). For someone in my situation, is the extra 600 or the extra 1600 really worth it? I get it, for people who want every last ounce, ecutek is the way to go. But for someone like me, who wants an extra bump, while minding my wallet, what's so bad about an OTS tune? |
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Some people want Volk rims while some are fine with Rota. Different people have different needs. Like I said before, we should all be happy that we can have these discussions, as it means we have options.
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I got my catback FT86SF V2 for $120 but I won't try to leverage that $120 into any comparison because the majority of people will buy retail -- An off-the-shelf tune is a starting point- I'm sure as you had an AP. I had one too, until I realized that it was the worst of both closedsource and opensource worlds. The value of OFT for me is the learning experience. I spent $450 on an intake that does arguably very little- do you really think I would go OFT when I have Bob at Drift down the road who would maximize my N/A power for a little more? That's the thing- it's freaking N/A. If one could get their car to be 90% of another's for half the cost, that's winning to me- because that last 10% on a sub 200whp platform is nothing, and arguably IAT compensation and driving with the headlights on/off, stereo on/off all chistle down the difference. I understand your reservation about not using E85 without flexfuel but really.. come on.. that's borderline scaremongering. The E85 stations are so few and far between that Sun Energy products virtually control the whole show in the U.S.- consistent product. The off the shelf maf scale is designed to compensate for the E70 to E85 swing. I'm not the biggest fan of them right now for other reasons, but you can't entirely discount the teens, perhaps hundreds of people successfully running corn juice successfully on the platform with this circumvention of a flexfuel kit I'm not racing my car, I'm learning about the art of the modern automobile, having fun while doing it, and commuting 500 miles a week in the thing. I love tinkering around with tunes, and have been since day one of my first enthusiast car. - Do I trust myself with my car? - Can people become affluent in basic principles and paradigms of software tuning? - Is this worth it to me? Those are all subjective questions so I don't have any hard pact answers- other than beautiful logs and a very healthy engine pegged at IAM = 1 on both 91octane and E85 (no surprises there). I'd put it on the dyno but I see non-competitive N/A bolt-on builds as by and large vanilla and boring. Like homeboy's quote of @jamesm above me... one tuning solution isn't inherently above the other so it's a bit useless to try and slander the OFT's ability to deliver a solid tune. I also get a free datalogging and flash tablet (simply don't get that with Ecutek full stop). This is supplementary to the DIY approach- data is king and the ability to observe and extract data in a relatively efficient fashion is worth the salt of the tablet alone (albeit they're not the most, erm, sturdy ). Two very important features to me that I don't get with Ecutek. I never denied the full potential of Ecutek, specifically when it comes to forced induction and dynamic timing maps ala flexfuel kit setups. |
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Of course he's making money on the license that was installed on your car. Perhaps not directly tied to that specific transaction, but it'd be incomplete to say he didn't gain anything from doing so. It's not a bad thing to have preferred vendors. That's the way business should be. The only bad part comes in when vendors, lobby groups, and other entities try to slander other products. Not saying you're or anyone in this thread is doing so now. Just some food for thought |
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Those dyno runs are from my car. I was shocked at the OFT tune performance to say the least. At first I thought I had accidentally loaded a Stage 1 tune but I confirmed it was Stage 2 91 Octane v2.66.
Looking at my data logs from a track outing just after that tune and it is clear the car pulls harder than before (custom tune vs OFT 93 Stage 2 UEL, both with 95+ octane gas). I also shaved 2+ seconds off my best lap time; not all of that was from the tune, but it definitely contributed. If I had to do it again, I would have gone with a Tomei UEL and a custom tune, as CSG recommended. I was looking for a simple OTS solution and didn't want to bother with custom tuning as I've always gone with OTS from Dinan, EvoMS and others that created OTS tunes to go with their kits and I had no experience with custom tuning. The simplicity of one stop shopping is nice, when it works... However, it turns out that the OFT is very handy for data logging and viewing knock data and it seems to be the most cost effective solution for that. So, it is still not a bad way to get started IMO.
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@RobertPaulson no, not shocked. Just forget that sarcasm doesn't translate wel here. And I can't remember exactly how I put it, but I believe the point I was getting at is that in my opinion, the wait time for an OFH isn't worth the cost or performance. Also, way to entirely sidestep my point about cost. Which at this point, is my main factor.
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