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02-01-2014, 02:21 PM | #71 | |
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If your logic held, than pretty much any comparison is both accurate and precise, like GT86 TRD versus VW CC. |
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02-01-2014, 09:21 PM | #72 | |
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02-02-2014, 09:18 AM | #74 |
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It just doesnt makes sense why a TRD 86 was compared to a turbo Miata. Well obviously, Miata won because of its turbo. Wonder if the 86 had a turbo, it couldve been a different story.
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Having owned both cars, I suggest you buy an MX-5 and see for yourself. It will definitely put a smile on your face too
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02-02-2014, 11:05 AM | #76 | |
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Then we'll see who can design a chassis. |
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Autocar were at Cadwell Park UK in the dry same two cars (and others). Toyota GT86 1:53.2 (Ford Fiesta ST 2 1:52.7) MX5 BBR 1:48.8. JCW Mini GP 1:47.7. MX 5 hit fastest speed of all cars tested at 113 mph at the end of the longest straight. Mini was the fastest car through the slowest chicane at 52.3 mph. Quickest car was the Caterham Seven Supersport at 1:47.4. Cadwell isn't a power circuit. In fact it's referred to as the mini Nurburgring! http://www.cadwellpark.co.uk Draw you're own conclusions. Last edited by Suberman; 02-02-2014 at 11:27 AM. |
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I think what most of us have come to realize in this thread is that this isn't about a bad test, it's about bad journalism. It's about EVO not pointing out, yes we understand this was just a comparison of price tags and the outcome of this comparison will likely be skewed because were not testing two cars of similar performance. When most auto mags test cars in the same price range/class they also make an attempt to have the cars somewhat on par performance wise as well. This is the type of comparison we are all used to, and all accept as a fair comparison. None of us would be interested in a comparison of a 3rd party tuned M3 vs. an M3 with all the factory aero, convenience, and interior options...even though they are the same price. Why would anyone do that test let alone pretend it was worth putting in a mag? So yes, you few gents who are arguing that any comparison will have an outcome where (likely) one loses and one wins, and by this definition as long as any common ground is found (price, color, doors, wheel size, model year) its a fair comparison I think are debating for the sake of debate. This was a comparison of two cars with nearly the same price tag, but the odds of that being a fair and interesting comparison are likely never in the cards. I can spend 2K on a 240sx shell. Then spend 28K on making it track prepped. Should be fair to compare to a GT86 TRD version, yes? Same price tag, both coupes, both RWD...lets write and article about that comparison and then talk about how poorly the 86 does in comparison. I feel like arguing against this being a faulty comparison is arguing semantics. If you don't understand that (like most of us do, regardless of the cars involved) then perhaps you should edit a journalism course at your local college.
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To me, it looks like they are trying to compare performance of a vehicle using price as the controlling factor. Price has (can if done right but in this case was not) no effect on performance attributes of a car, therefore, the study does not use a correlating factor that would make this a worthy comparison.
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If I could buy a BBR turbo charged MX-5 as easily as I could buy an FRS and slap some TRD parts on it, I probably would.
Oh wait, I'm 6'7". And I traded in an NC miata to get my FRS. In all seriousness, that BBR NC is NASTY. Ridiculous comparison but still a cool video. Not sure what he means about not being able to balance the 86 on the throttle though. |
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I think a Yugo with a briefcase with $25k vs a TRD FR-S would be a more accurate test, since its all about price instead of value.
I mean, shit why not just put an $8k snakeskin paint job on a random car and bag on it for not being as fast as a forced induction version of that car? |
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