Who is happy the engine will be Naturally Aspirated?

[Grip Ronin]

turbo maintenance sucks.i made 2 na cars into turbo, fun................. when they work right, always with the exhaust and boost leaks

[samsam5886]

I'm a huge fan of NA.

[Homemade WRX]

Originally Posted by Grip Ronin

always with the exhaust and boost leaks

you might want to blame the designer/engineer for those issues. It has ZERO to do with aspiration.

[DarkSunrise]

I'm excited this car is NA. Fits more with the KISS (lightweight RWD) theme of the car. But... I will admit to being mildly curious what kind of numbers a SC setup will put down.

[track_warrior]

I am extremely happy ive had my share of turbo cars and i hate the turbo lag surprise at corner exits!! I prefer a gradual pull from a naturally aspirated engine. Though if i was buying this thing for straight line racing i would be pretty pissed it did not come with a turbo because you are prob not going to squeeze a ton of HP from this engine unless you chip in around 5-10k for building the engine and getting a turbo kit.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

I am extremely happy ive had my share of turbo cars and i hate the turbo lag surprise at corner exits!! I prefer a gradual pull from a naturally aspirated engine. Though if i was buying this thing for straight line racing i would be pretty pissed it did not come with a turbo because you are prob not going to squeeze a ton of HP from this engine unless you chip in around 5-10k for building the engine and getting a turbo kit.

you could say thats more a gearing problem than an induction problem. a properly sized turbo is going to have 0 lag out of a corner since you shouldnt be shifting mid corner. also there are superchargers...they dont suffer from turbo lag

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by fatoni

you could say thats more a gearing problem than an induction problem. a properly sized turbo is going to have 0 lag out of a corner since you shouldnt be shifting mid corner. also there are superchargers...they dont suffer from turbo lag

Centrifugal superchargers do have lag. Ive got turbo lag until about 4k with the tomei turbo even though its a small turbo but the power delivery is very aggressive, great for drifting but i hate it while trying to do grip driving. Shifting during a corner is dumb but even while riding the corner at around 5k rpms when you start punching the gas the power delivery is very aggressive and not gradual so if you are not careful it can spin you around, a very small hp turbo car would be another story though.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

Centrifugal superchargers do have lag. Ive got turbo lag until about 4k with the tomei turbo even though its a small turbo but the power delivery is very aggressive, great for drifting but i hate it while trying to do grip driving. Shifting during a corner is dumb but even while riding the corner at around 5k rpms when you start punching the gas the power delivery is very aggressive and not gradual so if you are not careful it can spin you around, a very small hp turbo car would be another story though.

i cant quite tell if you are talking about turbo lag or throttle response or power curves here

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i cant quite tell if you are talking about turbo lag or throttle response or power curves here

Turbo lag and throttle response both. If you are coming into a corner where you need to down shift into 2nd and you are in 4th gear, you start riding the corner at around 4.5 rpms then when you press the accelerator at corner exit there is a slight delay while the turbo builds boost and when it does the delivery is aggressive where as in a N/A car the power delivery is gradual. This is what i am talking about.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

Turbo lag and throttle response both. If you are coming into a corner where you need to down shift into 2nd and you are in 4th gear, you start riding the corner at around 4.5 rpms then when you press the accelerator at corner exit there is a slight delay while the turbo builds boost and when it does the delivery is aggressive where as in a N/A car the power delivery is gradual. This is what i am talking about.

thats not turbo lag but an issue with having a huge intake volume. if thats the case just buy a coldside and run a 5th injector instead of an intercooler and call it a day

[Ryephile]

Nevertheless, pcasso87's beef was with the system's behavior....a behavior the BRZ/FR-S won't have.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Nevertheless, pcasso87's beef was with the system's behavior....a behavior the BRZ/FR-S won't have.

yeah but that is what the conversation turned into. his initial complaint was "turbo lag surprise at corners." i just dont think that has to be the systems behaviors. im not saying i want fi but im not going to say i "hate" it. on a personal note i wish it would come na but play nice with fi. not sure how i feel about the compression ratio but on the other hand i will never turbo one if i get it

[ngabdala]

I am very happy it's NA and I don't think this car needs to be fucked with. It's balance is a work of art. Don't mess with it

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah but that is what the conversation turned into. his initial complaint was "turbo lag surprise at corners." i just dont think that has to be the systems behaviors. im not saying i want fi but im not going to say i "hate" it. on a personal note i wish it would come na but play nice with fi. not sure how i feel about the compression ratio but on the other hand i will never turbo one if i get it

Do you have anything better to do than argue about everything on a forum? Seriously man nothing is sadder than seeing a person who thinks he knows everything on a damn internet forum and just arguing against anything he thinks is wrong....... Im seriously starting to think if i say i like coffee you will argue about why tea is better!!