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Pat · 03-25-2016, 08:08 PM

Let's face it: the Toyobaru market segment is tiny. Cars in this category just don't sell well in the U.S. I think demand can only support a couple models like this. Adding another to the mix will likely just damage profitability for all (i.e. both) manufacturers in this segment. Remember, they are in business to make money, not build cars. Building cars is just a means to an end.

themadscientist · 03-26-2016, 05:01 AM

That's a different market segment, though. That's your WRX fighter, not your BRZ fighter.

krayzie · 03-26-2016, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noobcake

I didn't really expect them to make it unless they axed the Z or the GTR. Having 3 sports cars in your lineup would be tough I'd assume.

I think they will only build a lightweight RWD platform if they replace Ghosn with a Japanese dude that truly loves cars.

Can't see them axe either the GTR or the Z due to the heritage of Prince and Nissan respectively.

dtrop · 03-28-2016, 01:28 PM

When the twins came out, there were many "reports" that Nissan was making a "smaller z" to compete with the twins.

As much as I would like that, the Z doesn't even need to compete with the twins. It's a great package at a great price and a lot of people who are looking for more power from factory would choose the z.

Dark · 03-28-2016, 03:57 PM

Nissan should focus on making Z35, not another non-value added car. Z34 is too old to be competitive.

reni · 03-28-2016, 08:59 PM

Nissan has been dead to me ever since they stopped making the Silvia.

Which is probably just as good considering if they did make a new one, it would be ugly as sin anyway.

Even if someone can manage the mental acrobatics to convince themselves modern Nissans aren't hideous, they still couldn't deny they haven't made anything that looks even remotely as good as this in the past 15 years:

themadscientist · 03-29-2016, 06:04 AM

I like the Leaf. Seriously.

JD001 · 03-29-2016, 06:12 AM

Is the following dead too?

themadscientist · 03-29-2016, 06:13 AM

God, I hope so. The engine and transmission was a joke. CVT? FUCK YOU NISSAN!

JD001 · 03-29-2016, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadscientist

God, I hope so. The engine and transmission was a joke. CVT? FUCK YOU NISSAN!

I was expecting IDX to be a RWD sports coupe to compete with the Twins..

themadscientist · 03-29-2016, 06:21 AM

Nissan is an evil company that plays with your emotions. Don't trust them with your heart.

Instead of working on a decent, small RWD fun car they are wasting time on dumb shit like this.

And this

Put the crack pipe away, boys.

Cole · 03-29-2016, 08:05 AM

I'm not sure why this is always such a hot topic here.

Of course, with a hope, a prayer and some good fortune, the twins were conceived, then by another miracle, not aborted. Sales are pretty "meh", but, that's not the issue, since they were going to be low volume anyways. A passion project, not so much about the bottom line.

I've said this before, too... The twins were the car that the internet wanted. They cried out to the Disciples of Jalopnik saying "Please, deliver us from our econobox sins, give us lightweight, RWD fun". Then, on the 7th day, Toyota created the first 86 and had every single Jalopnik reader moist in the panties. But then, tragedy struck and the twins were judged as "under powered" and "cheaply constructed". And the Jalopnik faithful said "Fuck this, I'm out". And none of them ever bought a twin.

Enthusiasts are such a small fucking segment of the market, and most of them aren't going to be buying a new car. Why the fuck should ANY company cater to us? Every single person on this board should feel lucky that they have that gift from God sitting in their driveway/garage/parking lot/whatever because for the first time in many, many years, a company (and Toyota, no less) took a risk, listened to the enthusiasts, only to be slammed by the majority for things that aren't necessarily true.

I know if I was an exec at an automotive company, I sure as shit wouldn't be taking risks on making a small, lightweight, under powered(subjective, of course, talking mass appeal), RWD car. Especially seeing what happened with the mass reception of it from internet lurkers all over the world.

But, I could be entirely off base here and completely talking out of my ass. Whatever, this is how I see it.

krayzie · 03-29-2016, 08:27 AM

Well this is Nissan's idea of a twins fighter SMFH.

irax · 03-29-2016, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD001

Is the following dead too?

The reason I own a BRZ is because nissan announced officially that the IDX will never EVER, EVER see production.

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Cole Not a troll Join Date: Apr 2015 Drives: FR-S Location: Canada Posts: 5,104 Thanks: 8,237 Thanked 5,399 Times in 2,694 Posts Mentioned: 266 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	I'm not sure why this is always such a hot topic here. Of course, with a hope, a prayer and some good fortune, the twins were conceived, then by another miracle, not aborted. Sales are pretty "meh", but, that's not the issue, since they were going to be low volume anyways. A passion project, not so much about the bottom line. I've said this before, too... The twins were the car that the internet wanted. They cried out to the Disciples of Jalopnik saying "Please, deliver us from our econobox sins, give us lightweight, RWD fun". Then, on the 7th day, Toyota created the first 86 and had every single Jalopnik reader moist in the panties. But then, tragedy struck and the twins were judged as "under powered" and "cheaply constructed". And the Jalopnik faithful said "Fuck this, I'm out". And none of them ever bought a twin. Enthusiasts are such a small fucking segment of the market, and most of them aren't going to be buying a new car. Why the fuck should ANY company cater to us? Every single person on this board should feel lucky that they have that gift from God sitting in their driveway/garage/parking lot/whatever because for the first time in many, many years, a company (and Toyota, no less) took a risk, listened to the enthusiasts, only to be slammed by the majority for things that aren't necessarily true. I know if I was an exec at an automotive company, I sure as shit wouldn't be taking risks on making a small, lightweight, under powered(subjective, of course, talking mass appeal), RWD car. Especially seeing what happened with the mass reception of it from internet lurkers all over the world. But, I could be entirely off base here and completely talking out of my ass. Whatever, this is how I see it.

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