Subaru Toyota Collab on Next Gen 86 Stopped

[accwai]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

Me and my wife also discussed this and she loves the F-type. It's auto so she'd be able to drive it so it's a good compromise. Another option would be maybe a used R8 but god knows how much insurance would be. Anyway we should probably buy a house first lol

Why not both? Just secure a line of credit with your house and you can have your R8 too. The R8/Huracán twins are rather common in the GTA right? Somebody stuffed a Lambo into a handicapped spot at the T&T plaza at Warden and Steeles couple of weeks back. The person didn't even care about the $5k fine apparently

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by accwai

Why not both? Just secure a line of credit with your house and you can have your R8 too. The R8/Huracán twins are rather common in the GTA right? Somebody stuffed a Lambo into a handicapped spot at the T&T plaza at Warden and Steeles couple of weeks back. The person didn't even care about the $5k fine apparently

yeah pretty common and according to the news, a good chunk of them are getting crashed, which can't be good for insurance rates lol. I'll be sure to sit down when getting a quote

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Why yes, yes I am!
In the fall of 1973 I bought the One Millionth optioned Vega GT that GM Canada had used for promotional photos. It was identical to the below photo except, mine didn't have the full length door guard. Oh the memories...

[bcj]

"Wait on the edge of your seat until next month when we 'may' drop some more news."

Gah.

Toyota still owns a large chunk of Fuji Industries unless they divested ahead of the crash.
That 16 percent may be equivalent to the whole Gunma plant if they need it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 22R

Sorry if this was posted but listen to what wise Old Tcoat says guys

22R

Notice the updated part
https://www.motor1.com/news/303112/t...ubaru-brz-axe/

Originally Posted by yurikaze

Official word from Akio Toyoda is that the 86 will continue on.
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/to...ll-axed-range/

Edit: I missed the previous post that mentioned this amongst all the talk of retirement vehicles and F-types...

Originally Posted by bcj

"Wait on the edge of your seat until next month when we 'may' drop some more news."

Gah.

Toyota still owns a large chunk of Fuji Industries unless they divested ahead of the crash.
That 16 percent may be equivalent to the whole Gunma plant if they need it.

Meh. Any "news" is not news until it is from Toyota or Subaru and real anyway.

[nikitopo]

Why to stop a car that sells within the plan numbers? It is easy money and with minimal (if any) R&D. If sales go below the plan, then they might think about it!

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is no official word from Akio Toyoda on anything. There is non official word from an unnamed or maybe named Toyoto spokesman that

Motor 1 statement
"We couldn’t wait that long, so we shot some inquiries to both Subaru and Toyota on the subject. A Subaru representative told us that a second-generation BRZ was previously confirmed, but the automaker is unable to discuss specifics about it at this time. It seems the BRZ will continue in some fashion, at least in name.

Similarly, Toyota seems just as optimistic about the 86, though the company stopped short of saying a new model was in the works. Here's what a Toyota spokesperson told Motor1.com directly:

"As Akio Toyoda said at the reveal of the 2020 Supra, Toyota is committed to building exciting vehicles, including sports cars. The 86 has been in the Toyota family since 2013 and the plan is that it will continue to be a part of Toyota’s sports car line-up."

now car Scoops say - It doesn’t make much sense, so we contacted Toyota. And the answer we got from U.S. spokesperson Nancy Hubbell, reads as follows:

“As Akio Toyoda said at the reveal of the 2020 Supra, Toyota is committed to building exciting vehicles, including sports cars. The 86 has been in the Toyota family since 2013 and the plan is that it will continue to be a part of Toyota’s sports car line-up.”

See what is wrong with this? No? Well one of them is full of shit and just parroting the other or, they both received a pre determined response and just ran with it in different ways. THIS is why these websites lose credibility.

Now motor one made a simple statement in an edit and left it at that but Carscoops went on to speculate that Subaru was still dropping out. There is nothing to support that but some other clickbait will now take that response and ad to it and make it "fact".

So basically Toyota still wants the exciting cars, sports cars and such, so the 86 is still an important car in their lineup, as such its still planned to be around (which may mean the current car keeps going until its dead dead).

A second gen model has NOT been confirmed (nor denied) and seems like Toyota doesn't know what direction it wants to go with it especially since Subaru seems to have one foot out the door.

At this point the 86 still and will continue to live on.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

So basically Toyota still wants the exciting cars, sports cars and such, so the 86 is still an important car in their lineup, as such its still planned to be around (which may mean the current car keeps going until its dead dead).

A second gen model has NOT been confirmed (nor denied) and seems like Toyota doesn't know what direction it wants to go with it especially since Subaru seems to have one foot out the door.

At this point the 86 still and will continue to live on.

They know exactly which direction they are going with it and the only people that say Subaru has one foot out the door have no clue what the real plans are. Just because there is nothing official does not mean that the plans are not in place. Car plans work over decades or at least years they don't wing it month by month. The plan to continue or end this car was made at least 3 years ago. Quite possible even before the first one rolled off the line.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Why to stop a car that sells within the plan numbers? It is easy money and with minimal (if any) R&D. If sales go below the plan, then they might think about it!

EXACTLY!


People that are not in the industry very often just can not grasp the scale of things and think these manufacturers can make minute by minute changes like they were selling doughnuts or something. It just plain and simple does not work that way.
There are probably 100 parts manufacturers involved in making a car. Each of those will have a contract to provide parts for a set number of years. These contracts generally run for a minimum of 3 years but can be as long as 7. Short term contracts of under 3 years are almost unheard of since the suppliers can not exist on them. Obviously I can not say how much our contracts are worth but take my word for it you probably would not guess high enough.
Now, if a supplier fails to perform the auto company can break that contract with no penalties. If the suppliers are fulfilling their requirements and the manufacturer just doesn't want those parts anymore then they are either going to pay for them to the end of the contract period (even if they don't take them) or pay a huge cancelation penalty. Depending on the volume and cost of the parts this can run into several million dollars PER SUPPLIER. It can cost them more to cancel a contract than to continue building the vehicles even if they are not selling. This happened with the Aztec. When they didn't sell they started by deeply discounting them. They took a loss but it was still cheaper than the penalties. When the discounts didn't help and there were yards full of the things they started just crushing them as they rolled off the line. Why? Because it was still cheaper to build and destroy them than it was to cancel all the contracts.


So... There is a plan. They will continue to build and sell the numbers per that plan. If the plan is an upgraded version they will build them. If the plan is to stop at a certain model year they will stop at that model year. THEY know what they are doing they are not new to this.

[soundman98]

wow 12 pages already...

why is everyone so concerned about this? parts are required to be available for a minimum of the next 10 years, and very few people visit here that haven't already purchased one..

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Why to stop a car that sells within the plan numbers? It is easy money and with minimal (if any) R&D. If sales go below the plan, then they might think about it!

Who knows, they might have a "better" plan

[gymratter]

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/su...-going-happen/

Subaru USA spokesman Ron Kinno’s response was swift and leaves no room for interpretation:

“We do not endorse this report coming from Japan’s Best Car”, he told CarScoops. “We are moving ahead with a next-generation Subaru BRZ, but have no further details at this time.”

[Chikna]

It's just a rumor and the following link shows BRZ and 86 will not be discontinued.

The Subaru BRZ and Toyota 86 aren’t being discontinued



https://www.thetorquereport.com/news...-discontinued/

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gymratter

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/su...-going-happen/

LOL That is some major back pedaling since they wort a whole article based on the one sentence headline before! Even then they speculate about Toyota when we have that statement as well. In fact we have it twice.