FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

you can get a GT for the same price as a BRZ...

You must be comparing an OUTSTANDING deal on a Mustang GT vs. "bend-over" pricing on the BRZ.

FR-S MSRP + destination = $24,985
BRZ MSRP + destination = $26,265
Mustang GT MSRP + destination = $31,095

Irrespective of price, I'd rather own/drive an FR-S/BRZ.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Im just gonna leave this alone...lmao

Guess we finally found something we agree on.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by thill

You also know really quickly which cars you don't like

I really did not even have to drive the Camaro off the lot once I sat in it.. Just was not the car for me...

The same thing very nearly happened to me with the 13' Gencoupe. I sat in it at the NY Auto Show and was immediately disgusted with the way everything felt around me.
I promised myself I'd give it a chance and grab a test drive though; truthfully I had a lot more respect for it afterwards. It still wasn't nearly my cup of tea for something I planned on tracking but I did respect it for what it was. If I was considering just an everyday comfortable cruiser with a bit of grunt to back up the creature comforts the Gencoupe would be back on my list for sure and had I condemned the car after my auto show impressions I wouldn't have just said that.

But I definitely get what you mean though; honestly with the few exceptions being the mustang, BMW 5 series, and (JUST BARELY) the camaro, I've never felt comfortable in larger vehicles.

[sdiver68]

C

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

News flash the 335i and Triplets auto is not a elite auto tranny or no where near the league of a GTR or Benz trans pointblank no matter how you spin this....

I don't have to spin anything except lap times and relate my real world track experience.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by ZDan

You must be comparing an OUTSTANDING deal on a Mustang GT vs. "bend-over" pricing on the BRZ.

FR-S MSRP + destination = $24,985
BRZ MSRP + destination = $26,265
Mustang GT MSRP + destination = $31,095

Irrespective of price, I'd rather own/drive an FR-S/BRZ.

ZDan, that's exactly what I was saying. Right now, the dealers near me are giving out incredible deals on Mustangs and rape deals on BRZ.

When you can buy a Mustang GT at Invoice for 28k or buy a BRZ at MSRP for 28k, it becomes a decision, and that's the situation with my local dealerships.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

ZDan, that's exactly what I was saying. Right now, the dealers near me are giving out incredible deals on Mustangs and rape deals on BRZ.

When you can buy a Mustang GT at Invoice for 28k or buy a BRZ at MSRP for 28k, it becomes a decision, and that's the situation with my local dealerships.

I'll tell you back when I worked at Ford that was pretty regular. It just seems that in third and fourth quarters of the year you can generally pick up a stang for just around if not under invoice.

I'm not sure where you're located but here in NY our salesman blame it on the market in the south. You don't see very many Stangs up north.... lotta Camaro's though.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

I'll tell you back when I worked at Ford that was pretty regular. It just seems that in third and fourth quarters of the year you can generally pick up a stang for just around if not under invoice.

I'm not sure where you're located but here in NY our salesman blame it on the market in the south. You don't see very many Stangs up north.... lotta Camaro's though.

I'm in Maryland.

I'm sure that a lot of it has to do with the relative exclusivity of the cars right now. You can go around the block anywhere in Little Town, USA and run past 4-5 Mustangs before you see an FT86.

Now, if you're an expert negotiator and can find a flexible enough Subaru dealer, you might swing a whale of a deal. Or if you go for the base FR-S, you will certainly save money.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

News flash the 335i and Triplets auto is not a elite auto tranny or no where near the league of a GTR or Benz trans pointblank no matter how you spin this....

If it such a piece of crap tranny, why do they put a 8 speed version of it in a Lexus IS-F? They say the FR-S is the same tranny minus 2 gears to become a 6 speed. Gear ratios would be different but same tranny design. These are made by Aisin who make for many different cars. Couple this transmission with the Torsen LSD (which they use in the Lexus) and you have one nice automatic drive train. Somewhere there is a thread of an article explaining the drive train in detail Aisin & Torsen model #'s etc.
I'm not saying it is better but for the buck, You can't beat it! You get a Lexus level transmission & drive train at a Toyota/Scion price.

Take an AT FR-S/BRZ for a real drive on a mountain road using the paddle shifters or stick shift, match revving and all just like a manual, minus the clutch, If you don't get back with a big ear to ear smile on your face. Something must be wrong with you. But I know you will be smiling. :happy0180:

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

ZDan, that's exactly what I was saying. Right now, the dealers near me are giving out incredible deals on Mustangs and rape deals on BRZ.

When you can buy a Mustang GT at Invoice for 28k or buy a BRZ at MSRP for 28k, it becomes a decision, and that's the situation with my local dealerships.

MSRP on the BRZ is $2k less than 28k.

Generally you may get a better deal vs. MSRP on the Mustang, but you should compare BEST deal vs. BEST deal, in which case the BRZ at MSRP is going to be a fair amount cheaper than a Mustang GT at invoice.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by ZDan

MSRP on the BRZ is $2k less than 28k.

Generally you may get a better deal vs. MSRP on the Mustang, but you should compare BEST deal vs. BEST deal, in which case the BRZ at MSRP is going to be a fair amount cheaper than a Mustang GT at invoice.

I apologize. I was thinking of BRZ Limited. That is my bad.

2k is a fair amount cheaper, sure, but it's still the same ballpark.

And, like I said, a base FRS is 25k MSRP.

Now, if you can talk a salesman down on a BRZ to pay invoice, that would be special. But that's not what Subaru has offered me in recent weeks. Ford has. It will be interesting as we get into colder weather and end of model year. That is when the dealing is done for performance cars

[thill]

Ford has offered numerous rebates on the Mustang. I got a quote for $26K and change for a brand new 2012 GT about two months ago when the 2013 model was starting to come out. Even though I had pretty much crossed the car off my list after driving the V6 performance pack Stang (which I was going to get for around $23K and most likely could have gotten for $22K), that quote did make me pause.... That is a heck of a lot of performance for $26k!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

I'll tell you back when I worked at Ford that was pretty regular. It just seems that in third and fourth quarters of the year you can generally pick up a stang for just around if not under invoice.

Yea, it seems pretty common from what I've seen. When we bought our '05 convertible, it was in October 05 (actually on Halloween) and the negotiating started at invoice and we got it down from there. Ended up getting it for a little under invoice plus covering some of the fees.


This was after earlier in the model year when the then new "retro" version was released, people were paying above MSRP for them.

Every year about that time we start getting calls from the dealership looking to "move us up to the newest model" for the same type of deal.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Not sure what that is suppose to mean. I know what I want in a car, and thus does not apply to me. Thanks

Simply really. In one breath you effectively say 'each to their own' and in the next you apply your evaluation/judgement methodology to someone else and dismiss them for considering a Mustang and Miata at the same time.

There is no reason whatsoever someone cannot consider a Mustang GT, Miata, BMW 335 sedan and know exactly what their requirements are. Because those requirements apply to them, not you.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Simply really. In one breath you effectively say 'each to their own' and in the next you apply your evaluation/judgement methodology to someone else and dismiss them for considering a Mustang and Miata at the same time.

There is no reason whatsoever someone cannot consider a Mustang GT, Miata, BMW 335 sedan and know exactly what their requirements are. Because those requirements apply to them, not you.

I have no idea what you are talking about and you are taking something out of it that I didn't say. Those cars are drastically different from one another. And if you are considering a Mustang GT to a Miata, sorry you simply "don't" know what you want.

If you are saying a Mustang V6, Gen Coupe, 350z....that's a lot closer than a Miata and V8 Mustang GT.

There is such a word as indecisive. If your category includes a V8 Stang and a Miata, that to me is rather indecisive and you don't know exactly what you want out of a RWD car in the $27-30k range.