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Old 04-18-2017, 01:01 PM   #127
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The Camaro E-Diff is a much bigger part of this conversation than most realize as well.
Nifty, shame the phrase 'electronic lsd' is starting to fall into the FWD hot-hatch camp where it's just dragging the brakes on an open differential to get rotation. Hope Chevy's unit proves to be robust and the new normal.

Meanwhile the diff in the 86 is coming up on it's 30th birthday, if not more.

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Old 04-18-2017, 01:01 PM   #128
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An SS is a V8...lol they were talking about a V6... so FAIL...

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This whole conversation has been based around the 1LE cars, specifically the SS version with some mild V6 1LE comparison thrown in throughout.


No one said anything about a base 1LT Camaro until you brought that up. So, you're way off on who the failure is.
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Old 04-18-2017, 01:24 PM   #129
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I just questioned if such high end technologies (magnetic, air type) can give any real performance advantage. For sure they can offer other advantages like to combine comfort with sport characteristics, but I think this was not the context of the discussion here. Also we should not think about race cars as something very distant from us. A lot of new technologies are tested first on such cars and then transferred to the street legal cars.

Anyway, it looks that you are very happy with your Camaro and I am not here to convince you that this is not the case. Drivers confidence is one of the most important aspects and it looks that you can work with the new car much better.


I agree race cars have different goals from the get-go so it's not really apples to apples. They can revalve those dampers between races which is not the case for many of us.

Speaking of MRC, they do have some advantages besides being able to change the comfort,sport, track settings. It can sense when a car goes over a bump or on a rough surface and alter(soften) the rear suspension electromagnetically accordingly within the fraction of a second which will make it more stable. Same can be said for the braking zones or whenever there is some abrupt changes of the behavior of the front suspension.

Both coilovers and MRC have their advantages and disadvantages of course. Tuning of the MRC is the most critical one in this case.The MRC tuning in the 2SS to a 1SS 1LE will be different because the 1LE is focused for track use vs 2SS is for comfort with some mild track use.
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Old 04-18-2017, 02:19 PM   #130
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Just a reminder that the Z28 and the up-coming ZL1 1LE both run spool valve dampers not MR. Hmmmm!
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Just a reminder that the Z28 and the up-coming ZL1 1LE both run spool valve dampers not MR. Hmmmm!
Yes, I've mentioned this previously. I am planning to switch to Multimatic DSSV adjustable coilovers when they're available as the road surface of the tracks in my area not bad and I am not concerned with the wide range of use/adjustability of the MRCs and give up some comfort for being able to fit 325s in the rear and being able to use higher spring rate

I am not sure if Z28 is confirmed yet for the 2018 MY.
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Yes, I've mentioned this previously. I am planning to switch to Multimatic DSSV adjustable coilovers when they're available as the road surface of the tracks in my area not bad and I am not concerned with the wide range of use/adjustability of the MRCs and give up some comfort for being able to fit 325s in the rear and being able to use higher spring rate

I am not sure if Z28 is confirmed yet for the 2018 MY.
Yeah I was referencing the Gen 5 but its good to hear from you again. Looks like your out there driving with a big smile on your face and at the end of the day that's really all that matters.
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This whole conversation has been based around the 1LE cars, specifically the SS version with some mild V6 1LE comparison thrown in throughout.


No one said anything about a base 1LT Camaro until you brought that up. So, you're way off on who the failure is.
Why in the sam fuck would anyone be comparing a $45,000 dollar car to a 26,000 dollar car??? And you want to say I failed...lol



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Might as well say, "hey a base corvette handles better than a stock twin"....lol
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Why in the sam fuck would anyone be comparing a $45,000 dollar car to a 26,000 dollar car??? And you want to say I failed...lol



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Might as well say, "hey a base corvette handles better than a stock twin"....lol
Gd.... read the thread.
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Since I was directed to reread your thread...lol

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My friend just bought a Camaro SS 1LE, and insists it will handle better than an FRS/BRZ/86. What are your thoughts folks?

Just tell him, not by the time I've caught up to spending how much you spent on a camaro SS 1LE...Or take him for a ride in some twisties in a canyon and see...

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Why in the sam fuck would anyone be comparing a $45,000 dollar car to a 26,000 dollar car??? And you want to say I failed...lol



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Might as well say, "hey a base corvette handles better than a stock twin"....lol
We aren't comparing a stock twin to a stock SS 1LE, we are comparing a boosted twin on aftermarket coils and rcomps which all combined will be similar money to the SS 1LE and learning the SS 1LE is still faster...
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I get to drive a lot of these bigger, more powerful cars at the limit on various autocross courses. Many of them have impressed me but only because of how well they manage their heft.

A dancing elephant can be both powerful and impressive, but an elephant that can dance is still an elephant.

I understand why people are drawn to the formula, but numbers fail to convey the different driving experience to be had between cars that try to use physics as a dance partner and cars that try to beat physics into submission.
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I don't believe that.

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We aren't comparing a stock twin to a stock SS 1LE, we are comparing a boosted twin on aftermarket coils and rcomps which all combined will be similar money to the SS 1LE and learning the SS 1LE is still faster...

Show me the proof, cause I don't believe for one minute that a twin with large R comps and coils that is boosted is slower around a track than a stock ss 1LE...

How much boost and power, what kind of boost, which coils, how are they tuned? What size rcomps?

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We aren't comparing a stock twin to a stock SS 1LE, we are comparing a boosted twin on aftermarket coils and rcomps which all combined will be similar money to the SS 1LE and learning the SS 1LE is still faster...


....and still likely handle better.


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Just tell him, not by the time I've caught up to spending how much you spent on a camaro SS 1LE...Or take him for a ride in some twisties in a canyon and see...

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Seriously, @Jaden are you reading the thread in reverse? That sentiment you expressed was argued throughout and disproven in multiple ways.
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Show me the proof, cause I don't believe for one minute that a twin with large R comps and coils that is boosted is slower around a track than a stock ss 1LE...

How much boost and power, what kind of boost, which coils, how are they tuned? What size rcomps?

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Maybe read the entire thread? Post number 22 by @glamcem has videos comparing his modified twin to his SS 1LE.

Reading his build thread, the twin was making 260whp with a Kraftwerks SC, FA500 coils with 9k/9k springs on NT01s or Hankook Ventus Z214 C51 (medium) 245/40/17.

And he was still 2 seconds a lap slower in the twin and said he is still getting faster in the Camaro.

The 1LE package is no joke.
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