Guys, would you say our FRS's handling is same or better than BMW's? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

2082FRS · 02-06-2014, 01:06 AM

just like to hear your opinions

86_ZN6 · 02-06-2014, 01:08 AM

m3? m5? what are we comparing here?

N1rve · 02-06-2014, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 2082FRS

just like to hear your opinions

The only BMW I've driven is a BMW E36 M3... that clutch was stiff as hell. But back onto handling... the FRS is hands down better than THAT BMW.

chas3wba0 · 02-06-2014, 01:12 AM

I came straight from an E46 3 series sedan to the BRZ, and the handling is pretty on par. I haven't pushed either car to the absolute limit on AutoX or track, though, so I can only speak for "spirited" driving on twisty back roads.

The BMW does feel a little bit more planted and solid due to the heavier weight and wider tires (I had the sport package 225/45/17), but the BRZ makes up for that with nimbleness.

2082FRS · 02-06-2014, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 86 Industries

m3? m5? what are we comparing here?

how about both m3 and m5? what do you think??

myEFispissed · 02-06-2014, 01:35 AM

I'd argue a stock FRS is going to handle better than any stock Bimmer.

humfrz · 02-06-2014, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by myEFispissed

I'd argue a stock FRS is going to handle better than any stock Bimmer.

I'll vote for that ..... (nope, I got no data) .....

Ammonia · 02-06-2014, 01:38 AM

wtf kind of thread is this lol

FiRStsc10n · 02-06-2014, 07:25 AM

Here is my theory on what went down. Your friends are arguing that BMW handles better than your FR-S and your looking for some information to throw down as they say. The problem is even if the FR-S does infact handle better, it seems you've gotten yourself in a case of the typical BMW fanboys, of whom praise the M3/M5 and holy jizz batman the new M4 without ever driving or being able to own one. You're never going to win this argument, you'd be better of spending your time driving your FR-S and having some fun.

The theory above does not reflect the views and opinions of all members of this forum and are strictly my own. I could be totally wrong in what I sensed so do not take offence to anything I said. Cheers

DarkSunrise · 02-06-2014, 08:28 AM

I had an instructor at the track once whose car was a lightly modded E36 M3 (coilovers, BBK, tires). He was having some car issues, so I offered to let him take my FR-S for one of his run sessions while I rode along. I asked him what he thought and he said he was really impressed with the handling, and thought the FR-S felt much lighter and more balanced than his car. He was actually having so much fun he "apologized" that he was going to miss pit-out and go for more laps. I told him I didn't mind, as his car was down and it looked like he was enjoying himself.

I've ridden in his and a number of other E36 M3s at the track, and I agree with his impressions. The FR-S definitely feels lighter and more nimble, as if its ready to change direction anytime. The E36 is heavier and will take time to roll over, but eventually settles into a nice stance as you throw it into a corner. I was actually really impressed how well the E36 handles, but it can't completely hide its weight and CG height, especially out on the track.

n2oinferno · 02-06-2014, 08:49 AM

I would say that yes, the FR-S does handle better than a BMW X5.

GT86meMR2 · 02-06-2014, 09:30 AM

My brothers 1 3 and 5 series bmws all feel like boats to me compared to my 86.. and are slower until you go above the 25i engines.

WolfpackS2k · 02-06-2014, 10:02 AM

Yes, the FRS handles better than any BMW.

pierce88 · 02-06-2014, 10:11 AM

I'd argue that for the average driver not pushing it to the limit the BMWs handle better. They feel much more planted with the additional weight and wider track. But if you are looking to have fun and you put better tires on the FRS/BRZ it will indeed carry more entry and exit speed into and out of the corners.

Just my 2 sense after driving several e46 BMW (All 3 Series, 1 E90 M3).

-Pierce

02-06-2014, 01:06 AM	#1
2082FRS Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: FRS 10 Series Location: Walnut, CA Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Guys, would you say our FRS's handling is same or better than BMW's? just like to hear your opinions

02-06-2014, 01:12 AM	#4
chas3wba0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Yes Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,052 Thanks: 1,629 Thanked 813 Times in 407 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I came straight from an E46 3 series sedan to the BRZ, and the handling is pretty on par. I haven't pushed either car to the absolute limit on AutoX or track, though, so I can only speak for "spirited" driving on twisty back roads. The BMW does feel a little bit more planted and solid due to the heavier weight and wider tires (I had the sport package 225/45/17), but the BRZ makes up for that with nimbleness. __________________ "If thy pleaſure be in Underſteere, thou art Weird." - Distraxi

02-06-2014, 01:38 AM	#8
Ammonia Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: Whiteout FRS, Audi A4, 135i (sold) Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 918 Thanks: 1,440 Thanked 567 Times in 289 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	wtf kind of thread is this lol __________________ boooooooooooooooooost

02-06-2014, 08:28 AM	#10
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,794 Thanks: 2,164 Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I had an instructor at the track once whose car was a lightly modded E36 M3 (coilovers, BBK, tires). He was having some car issues, so I offered to let him take my FR-S for one of his run sessions while I rode along. I asked him what he thought and he said he was really impressed with the handling, and thought the FR-S felt much lighter and more balanced than his car. He was actually having so much fun he "apologized" that he was going to miss pit-out and go for more laps. I told him I didn't mind, as his car was down and it looked like he was enjoying himself. I've ridden in his and a number of other E36 M3s at the track, and I agree with his impressions. The FR-S definitely feels lighter and more nimble, as if its ready to change direction anytime. The E36 is heavier and will take time to roll over, but eventually settles into a nice stance as you throw it into a corner. I was actually really impressed how well the E36 handles, but it can't completely hide its weight and CG height, especially out on the track. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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86_ZN6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 86 ZN6 Location: SF Bay Area, NorCal Posts: 4,682 Thanks: 1,317 Thanked 2,072 Times in 1,222 Posts Mentioned: 126 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	m3? m5? what are we comparing here?

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myEFispissed Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: '13 Asphalt Location: AZ Posts: 71 Thanks: 20 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd argue a stock FRS is going to handle better than any stock Bimmer.

02-06-2014, 07:25 AM	#9
FiRStsc10n Canadian FR-S Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: FR-S '10 Series' Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 1,160 Thanks: 341 Thanked 695 Times in 413 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Here is my theory on what went down. Your friends are arguing that BMW handles better than your FR-S and your looking for some information to throw down as they say. The problem is even if the FR-S does infact handle better, it seems you've gotten yourself in a case of the typical BMW fanboys, of whom praise the M3/M5 and holy jizz batman the new M4 without ever driving or being able to own one. You're never going to win this argument, you'd be better of spending your time driving your FR-S and having some fun. The theory above does not reflect the views and opinions of all members of this forum and are strictly my own. I could be totally wrong in what I sensed so do not take offence to anything I said. Cheers

02-06-2014, 08:49 AM	#11
n2oinferno Praise Helix! Join Date: Jan 2011 Drives: Accord 2.0T, Silverado Location: Upstate SC Posts: 2,859 Thanks: 428 Thanked 2,208 Times in 1,072 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I would say that yes, the FR-S does handle better than a BMW X5.

02-06-2014, 09:30 AM	#12
GT86meMR2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: MR Spyder/GT86 Location: Belgium,Antwerp,Schelle Posts: 246 Thanks: 188 Thanked 59 Times in 44 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	My brothers 1 3 and 5 series bmws all feel like boats to me compared to my 86.. and are slower until you go above the 25i engines.

02-06-2014, 10:11 AM	#14
pierce88 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: SWP BRZ Limited Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 68 Thanks: 29 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd argue that for the average driver not pushing it to the limit the BMWs handle better. They feel much more planted with the additional weight and wider track. But if you are looking to have fun and you put better tires on the FRS/BRZ it will indeed carry more entry and exit speed into and out of the corners. Just my 2 sense after driving several e46 BMW (All 3 Series, 1 E90 M3). -Pierce

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