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Old 06-02-2014, 11:27 AM   #15
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Really good read. I have to say I totally agree with the OP regarding the current generation Mustang. I have driven the V6 and GT w/track pack, and I really wanted to like both cars, but at the end of the day they were not the cars for me (for the reasons the OP mentioned after actually owning one). The GT is a power house, but it is more of a one trick pony (no pun intended) and you will hardly ever be able to use the full potential of the engine unless you are tracking the car, or taking it to the dragstrip.

I am interested in hearing how the 2015's handle. I was hoping for a lighter Mustang that was more focused on handling and steering feel, but I am not sure that is what we will get.
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I am interested in hearing how the 2015's handle. I was hoping for a lighter Mustang that was more focused on handling and steering feel, but I am not sure that is what we will get.
It's not looking good for the 2015 Mustang. There's a blog post by Steeda which got its hands on a pre-production model. They're claiming it's 200-300 lbs. heaver than the outgoing model.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11406017...an-predecessor
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It's not looking good for the 2015 Mustang. There's a blog post by Steeda which got its hands on a pre-production model. They're claiming it's 200-300 lbs. heaver than the outgoing model.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11406017...an-predecessor
Wow. I really hope this ends up being not true, but that is a substantial weight gain for a car that does not even have a usable backseat...

That is a pretty big letdown considering it seemed that one of Ford's goals was lighter weight.
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Wow. I really hope this ends up being not true, but that is a substantial weight gain for a car that does not even have a usable backseat...

That is a pretty big letdown considering it seemed that one of Ford's goals was lighter weight.
Yeah I posted this in the other thread, but essentially the 2015 Mustang went from being 400 lbs. lighter (reportedly) than the outgoing model to ~ 300 lbs. heavier.

That's a net +700 lbs. weight swing. Thanks Ford.
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These big engine cars are not that much more fun to cruise around in, and in all honestly, I'm starting to have a hard time finding where to fit the 348hp on my Gen Coupe.

Seeing how throttle happy I was with the twins, it's burdening to the point of frustration to have to baby the thing during half hour commutes.
I narrowed down my new car choice to the same ones in question from the OP (2011 Mustang GT and a 2014 BRZ)... your point above was a primary reason I went with the BRZ. With the 86, I can act a complete fool on my daily commute and still be within (near?) legal limits. Or, I can drive like a sane human being and return great fuel efficiency and look good doing it.

The Mustang isn't an engaging car to drive at 2/10 or 3/10, which only encourages the driver to do increasingly stupid things for satisfaction. I found myself sideways on an on-ramp during on of my test drives, and well over 100mph on the interstate during a romp through the gears. I giggled like the OP during my drives, but I realized quickly that it was a one trick pony (pardon the pun). Massive horsepower at the expense of steering feedback, manageable brakes, driver visibility (felt like a tank), body responsiveness (again, felt like a tank)... I knew all of those things could be helped with aftermarket parts, but I also knew that it was easier to add power to a BRZ than driver feel to a Mustang.

To me, posting M3-comparable numbers is impressive, but - if the experience of getting there doesn't have the driver feedback to match, what's the point?
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I am thinking about selling mine, but not for something new.. somethings 60s or 70s.. all of my cars are too damn similar so the BRZ is a road trip car only now. :shrug:
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I am thinking about selling mine, but not for something new.. somethings 60s or 70s..
Like a 2014 Mustang?
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Like a 2014 Mustang?
haha no.. thinking MGB/MGBGT, S800, 2002, Spitfire, etc. Good american cars from those days cost too much money.
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haha no.. thinking MGB/MGBGT, S800, 2002, Spitfire, etc. Good american cars from those days cost too much money.
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I'd never trade my FRS for anything else unless it's something like a Ginetta G40R, in other words a car which takes higher priority over the driving experience than an FRS and is stripped down to the basics.

When you get your next Twin, I'd recommend the following mods, and in this order:

- Lightweight 17" wheels (17lbs or less and no wider than 8" with a 45-40mm offset range), ride quality on stock suspension will noticeably improve with less unsprung mass
- No wider than stock tires with a more grippy compound but not too grippy (a nice Max Performance level tire ideally designed for both wet and dry handling) - keeps mass basically near that of stock tires but with better handling characteristics
- Replace the compressible factory rubber steering rack bushings with more substantial solid ones (either Delrin or Aluminum); very inexpensive mod but one of the most worthwhile mods when it comes to sharpening up the steering and getting rid of that slight mid turn hesitation in the FRS.
- Front strut tower brace from Grimmspeed, nice improvement in ride quality over bad roads...feels more planted as well.
- Brake Master Cylinder Brace, getting rid of that excess firewall flex under hard braking really is noticeable difference.
- Dump the factory sound tube system and the large intake resonator box above the cooling fans and get a drop in panel filter. You'll notice a little better throttle response.
- Get an exhaust system that you really like.

You'll never want to go back to a Stock FRS ever again...it just takes the whole car to how it should have come stock and you'll love it more than ever.
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I think you guys are being a bit harsh on the Mustang.
I traded my 2011 5.0 for an FR-S just a year ago. I sure do miss the big beast! Truth is, at these price points, you won't find a perfect sports car. The FR-S does some things brilliantly, the Mustang some too. I know the Stang made me giggle too, and the FR-S does not (but I appreciate other things in it).
Before getting the FR-S, I spent several weeks trying to get a Boss 302 but none of the dealers in my area would sell one even at sticker price. They usually wanted at least $2,000 over. I couldn't bite on that.
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I'd never trade my FRS for anything else unless it's something like a Ginetta G40R, in other words a car which takes higher priority over the driving experience than an FRS and is stripped down to the basics.

When you get your next Twin, I'd recommend the following mods, and in this order:

- Lightweight 17" wheels (17lbs or less and no wider than 8" with a 45-40mm offset range), ride quality on stock suspension will noticeably improve with less unsprung mass
- No wider than stock tires with a more grippy compound but not too grippy (a nice Max Performance level tire ideally designed for both wet and dry handling) - keeps mass basically near that of stock tires but with better handling characteristics
- Replace the compressible factory rubber steering rack bushings with more substantial solid ones (either Delrin or Aluminum); very inexpensive mod but one of the most worthwhile mods when it comes to sharpening up the steering and getting rid of that slight mid turn hesitation in the FRS.
- Front strut tower brace from Grimmspeed, nice improvement in ride quality over bad roads...feels more planted as well.
- Brake Master Cylinder Brace, getting rid of that excess firewall flex under hard braking really is noticeable difference.
- Dump the factory sound tube system and the large intake resonator box above the cooling fans and get a drop in panel filter. You'll notice a little better throttle response.
- Get an exhaust system that you really like.

You'll never want to go back to a Stock FRS ever again...it just takes the whole car to how it should have come stock and you'll love it more than ever.
Totally agree on wheels and tyres. Also, when your stock brake discs wear out, get an AP Racing lightweight front brake kit as well for even more un-sprung weight savings.
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I think you guys are being a bit harsh on the Mustang.
Not really, it's just a different kind of car. Depending on where you fall in your preferences, it might be more tolerable to you. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would hate a BRZ, too.
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haha no.. thinking MGB/MGBGT, S800, 2002, Spitfire, etc. Good american cars from those days cost too much money.
I thought you said you were tired of working on cars. Just setting and constantly resetting the carbs on the cars you listed will be a part time job.
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