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10-10-2012, 04:00 PM | #1 |
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D3PE FRS/BRZ Catch Can System
D3PE FRS/BRZ Catch Can System
D3 Performance Engineering has developed a bolt on catch can system for the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ. It solves the problems found with conventional catch can systems on the market: For Sale Thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19445 Series 1 Mounting Location (fits aftermarket intakes as well as the D3PE and Accelerated Performance Turbo Kits) Series 2 mounting location ( fits Full Blown, Treadstone, P&L, and AVO turbo kits as well as the HKS and Vortech supercharger systems and stock intakes. Q-Why do I need a catch can? A- All motors have blow by from factory, this is where cylinder charges escape through the piston rings into the crankcase. Without proper evacuation this causes pressure within the motor, even more so on a turbocharged engine. The way the factory system deals with this is to pull the air from the crankcase into the intake stream, which works fine for a factory stock car, but as you upgrade parts on your car to make more horsepower the PCV system needs upgrades as well. Q- Why is it so critical on a boosted FRS/BRZ? A- The factory pcv port on the engine block has a check valve in it, meaning when your boosting you will get 0 evacuation from the motor, only on engine vacuum will it work. This causes a huge problem as when you are in boost this is the point where you will have the most blow by or pressure in your engine. Q- What happens when there is insignificant crankcase ventilation? A- Common problems associated with this are poor drain back of turbo oil to oil pan (leading cause of returns for "bad" turbos, unpressurized oil has a hard time of going into a pressurized oil pan), blowing dip sticks out, pushing seals out overtime, leaking valve stem seals, loss of power due to parasitic loss caused by pressure on backside of piston and crank, etc. Q- What makes your catch can system different from others? A- Most catch cans out there do just that, catch the oil, but what they don't do it separate the engine intake from the pcv system. The air from inside of the engine is already burnt and when this gets pulled back into the intake stream this contaminates the fresh air, making it more knock prone, just like a EGR system.Also even with a can to catch the oil, the air going into the intake stream will still have oil in it, this will coat the inside of your IC pipes or intake on a na application. We vent ours to the atmosphere, leaving your engine sucking nothing but fresh air. Q- What turbo kits is this compatible with? A- The Series 1 will fit our Turbo system as well as the Accelerated Performance and FA20club turbo kits. The Series 2 will fit the Full blown, AVO, P&L turbo kits as well as the HKS and Vortech supercharger kit. Q- Will this fit a NA intake? A- Yes, the Series 1 will fit with most intakes except the oem as, where the front of the air box bolts down is where this goes, but the Series 2 will work with it. Q- What is the install time for the unit? A- 30-40 mins max, 20-30 on a redbull for both series. Q- Is this product outsourced and made with cheap components? A- No, every product D3 Performance Engineering makes is designed and hand made in house in Houston Texas, USA. Aluminum is sourced from American mills and the cnc work done locally. Q- What is the construction of the catch can and what all comes with it? A- Construction is precision bent from 5052 aluminum, all fittings are 6061 aluminum, all hand tig welded. Kit comes with catch can body, flush mounting countersunk hardware (chrome, black used for prototype in pictures), black AN fittings, Buna-N high temp oil resistant hose (will not swell overtime from oil), cnc aluminum unions, 600 degree high temp plug for intake manifold, and filter. FT86CLUB.com forum price $299.99 shipped anywhere in the continental US for the Series 1 and Series 2. Last edited by ANTI_LAG; 10-18-2012 at 11:04 AM. |
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10-10-2012, 04:34 PM | #2 |
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So this won't fit the avo Turbo kit as that retains the stock air box?
How much oil does it hold and could this be a limiting factor? Just comparing the size with the cusco can. Love the write upk. From the angle of the first few pics I was how does the bonet shut lol
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what does the inside baffle or trap system look like?
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This system holds about 0.75qt.
It has a 3/8 plug drain at the bottom of the unit. We can sell a drain back kit where you weld a -8 bung to your oil pan and have it run to that, you just have to make sure you have room, with the Oem manifold there is no room for this. We recommend to check the level of the oil in the can every oil change. The only baffling in the can is at the top to prevent oil slosh into the filter. No other baffling is needed. This is the same system we run in our street and race cars, from all motor to 1400+whp cars, its tried and true, the only changes you have to make are hose sizing for higher horsepower, around 600hp we recommend to run -10 lines, this requires welding bungs to the top of the valve covers. We can provide the can with -10 bungs on it or even add 2 extra to run a total of 2 lines to each valve cover. This would be best to do if you have the engine out. As for fitting different turbo setups, we will be releasing our other placement at the end of the week, it will be the same can design but located near the battery. It will work with P&L, Full Blown, Treadstone, AVO, and any other front mounted turbo setups. Also the hood clears with room, since the engine is so low there is a ton of room above it. |
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$300 ... lol
Man, I can't wait until the market settles and the hype drops a bit on this car. Nice piece of work but hilariously expensive. ARC would perhaps charge that.
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Actually if you google search catch cans of this caliber on different cars you'll see this is actually on the cheaper end. If your looking for real cheap maybe something from china would be better for you. Building a quality product that will last requires quality components and fabrication, both of which aren't cheap.
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We are getting taxed for sure on certain items, this car is under $30k and some parts are priced like they are for a GTR. I'm not rich by any means but i want quality parts, there are a few companies out there looking out for us middle class folks.
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so i guess you are moving it to the battery location to ensure it's not sitting next to the turbo with the current setup.
With the new location will that suit us RHD guys?
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So, agree to disagree. Cheers on making a quality product.
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Which two lines are going to this unit? Please post a diagram.
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I've never understood the need for a catch can. I just vent crankcase blow by through a hose pointed at the ground and plug the IM hole.
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