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11-03-2020, 09:54 PM | #43 |
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I am going to cast my vote against the Mazda. Around 1972 I got to tear into a Mazda rotary engine at the dealership I worked at. Our shop was British Leyland and Datsun; the Mazda was an overflow job from the companion dealership owned by the same company. I had previously attended workshops given by Mazda so it was not entirely a surprise. The general consensus among all the mechanics in town that had the joy of working on Wankel engines is that it will never be a mainstream technology. I will admit that I felt an attraction to the RX-7 and RX-8, but resisted. I have owned three Mazda cars and always wanted an MX-5 from day one, but I don't fit in it comfortably. Good thing Mazda made piston engines otherwise they would be history. Bottom line is you really have to want the RX-8 to go that way, but from my perspective, the rotary engine is a pile of hurt. God help us all; Mazda is bringing back the rotary in an RX-9. Whatever.
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2) You're going to rule out the RX-8 based on an experience almost 50 years ago? Really? I should rule out all Mazda's ever then because my '02 blew 2 motors without ever being modded or tracked (FYI the 2.3L I4's from around then were apparently notorious for failing around 130k). By the time the RX-8 was released the rotary had changed so much that it was no longer a Wankel and was in fact called the Renesis. Now; I don't think anyone would consider them reliable still, but suffice to say that things change over half a century. |
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And if anything the only real change in 50 years of wankels is that they became less reliable, not more.
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I drove both long term: RX-8 for 8 years and BRZ for 7. No contest - Mazda was a better car. Even though mine required new engine at 50K miles and another one when I sold it with 95K on odometer. Engine felt better, steering - better, brakes - much better. Even style - it looked more expensive than it was.
Though you only should consider RX-8, if you have capability to do repair work on engine (a must!), transmission, suspension etc. But it can be rebuilt as dedicated track car with greater success than BRZ/FT86. |
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IMO the steering is GREAT, but not better than the FT86's. RX-8 brakes do not feel better than PP Brembos. RX-8 *style* starts out great but the bulbous fender flares are unfortunate and the rear window and the side profile in that area are tragic. Quote:
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I actually love the RX-8 and nearly bought one. Glad I got an S2000 instead. They're cool cars, but as slow as the FT86, 250 lb. heavier, and yeah, that whole reliability thing... It is not a "better" car than the FT86. IMO far far from it... Oh yeah, 95-in-the-quarter acceleration, with 18mpg fuel mileage, in a just-over-3000-lb car, is frickin SAD... Last edited by ZDan; 11-13-2020 at 07:25 AM. |
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BUT, and it's a non-trivial 'but', as I rambled on at length in my earlier post, I also agree with your second point. The RX8 is a needy car. It's high maintenance, and only suitable for someone who is really into working on the engine themselves, and diligent enough for the frequent maintenance and high level of care it needs, and deserves. I miss my old RX8 very much. |
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RX-8 really shoulda been a shorter-wheelbase, lighter-weight 2seater, but Ford apparently had other ideas... Cross-shopping RX-8 vs. S2000, I went with the Honda based on better performance, greater expected reliability, and b'cuz daily commuter much better fuel economy. I drove S2k from 40k miles to 240k miles on the clock, no ragrets! F20C is actually kinda similar to rotary in terms of hp/torque/revs, but actually LASTS, and gives decent fuel economy. Quote:
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I love Mazda, love the RX7, I've owned two (rotary FC and V8 FD), would LOVE it if Mazda would make a new fixed-roof sports car *with a good highish-revving piston engine*. A 250+ hp 2.5 liter V4 would package great in a small sports car and partially make up for some of the lost rotary novelty... RX8 was a slightly more upscale car, but "better" than the FT86? IMO, no.... |
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Wasn’t the RX8 released in 2002? The fact that people compare that car to a BRZ, a highly focused, dedicated sports car with a decade more of technological advancements, speaks highly of how that “old” RX8 performed.
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I would buy an FD with an LS swap though, just tried to a few weeks ago but was outbid
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