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01-31-2014, 02:35 PM | #57 |
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Yeah, TRD totally sucks at performance. They have absolutely no idea wtf they are doing compared to someone like BBR.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmoxipYDp0"]86 TRD Griffon Concept 014 - YouTube[/ame] Especially when the TRD 'edition' 86 had pretty much no TRD performance parts on it at all. I wonder who around here sucks at comprehension? |
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i never said the power advantage of the miata was irrelevant. i just said that its nowhere near 5+ seconds worth. i dont know why you bring up the stock hp of the miata. the cars compared have 270 and 200 hp. i dont know why you bother posting here if you arent concerned with comparing these cars. the current mazda hasnt been around for 10 years but even if it did, i dont know why you see that as a performance advantage. having old technology is not an advantage. cars are getting faster, not slower. that doesnt make much sense to me. Quote:
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So you are supposing that the suspension and chassis tuning by BBR actually either did nothing to improve the Miata's handling over stock or actually hurt it. Sure that's a possibility but is a massive stretch of the imagination to try a defend your point about the 5 seconds. It presumes the stock Miata is just so good that the upgraded suspension had nothing to do w/ the better laptime and possibly hurt it which is pretty silly. I bring up the stock horsepower precisely we are comparing the Miata to the GT86. Apples to Apples. The Miata got a 100hp boost along w/ whatever torque boost as well. If you were to compare apples to apples as a platform, you would give the GT86 the same exact performance enhancement, otherwise it's apples to oranges. If you want to only give the GT86 70hp, then you have to strip out whatever weight difference exists as well and take off that stupid body kit and lame 18" wheels. Seems pretty obvious if someone wants an accurate comparison and not a biased one that favors their own view. I don't mind comparing cars, you once again are taking things out of context. I said I'm not CONCERNED about the differences in lap times you point out as the GT86 has already proved faster than the Miata. I also don't buy the picture you try to paint that the fastest Miatas out there are just barely modified street cars. Stock versus stock or fully modified versus fully modified, the GT86 is faster than the Miata around a track, period. That's why I'm not concerned, and why the Miata is not underrated and the 86 overrated as you continue to portray on this forum. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/ This link also shows how a significant power and torque advantage can yield a couple of seconds even on a small track. The current Miata hasn't been around for 10 years? Oh now you are just parsing words to mitigate a huge aftermarket and user base advantage to defend your precious Miata and inability to deal with facts when they don't agree with you. The Miata has been around since 1989 and the current third gen since 2006. Either 15 years or 8 years does nothing to support your point. It's the same basic inherent platform that has had tons of track time and tuning done to it providing tons of data to build upon. Feel free to argue that 8-15 years of testing and development doesn't matter if you like, good luck with that. You didn't seem to have a problem spouting out that the Miata is the most raced platform in the world. Which generation do you mean? You obviously meant all of them from 1989 onward. How about trying to be consistent with your own arguments rather than trying to have your cake and eat it all the time. |
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It's no secret that Evo's been biased against the Twins for a long time now in their reviews. Some of the arguments they make against them are mind-boggling. You should read their long-term review of the GT86 where they claim the GT86 is impossible to drive on a track when it rains. Literally impossible not to crash in the rain, right Evo? Serial axe murderer, 70's era rear-engine Porsche stuff? LMAO... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILHg_kW5vMc"]AJ BRZ at Ridge Motorsports Park (Heavy Rain) - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3M_mosJkRs"]FRS passes everyone @ Laguna Seca - YouTube[/ame] Evo...
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HEY! FUCK YOU, YOU AND YOU! I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU EAT A PLATE OF HUMAN SHIT!
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Holy bejesus the 270hp in that Miata look like a ridiculous amount on fun on a private track!
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apples to apples comparisons are for simple people. even at its most simple form, things arent fair. adding 100 hp to both cars doesnt affect the cars in the same way so how is that apples to apples? the comparison is as accurate as it gets. that car went faster than the other car. if you want to draw conclusions, speculate or comment in the appropriate comparison threads. i never even brought up miata lap times. i only brought up that all the mods people are saying should make the miata 5+ seconds faster dont even make the gt86 5+ seconds faster on tracks with laptimes twice as long. its a shitty fanboy attitude. yeah, i believe the miata is the most tracked car. that statement is different than what were saying here because its not a comparison dealing with specifics. even if it was, i would venture to say that the na/nb miatas are the most tracked car in the world. another thing i want to point out is that i dont think the frs is a slower platform than the miata. i never said that. i think if you want fast, you are a fool for buying either since there are cheaper cars that stock v stock or mod for mod will crush either. you can say im parsing for words but the point is that you made a statement that is false. 8-15 years matters but i want you to realize that it not only matters for aftermarket but also oem. toyota/subaru were able to put in an extra 8-15 years of technology too. Quote:
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Maybe you mean precise rather than accurate. |
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By the way, for those curious how a FI GT86 would have done, Evo just so happened to have tested the Litchfield BRZ at Blyton Park. Litchfield BRZ Spec S - 1:07.5 - 29,477 GBP - 280 bhp BBR Miata GT270 - 1:08.9 - 29,995 GBP - 268 bhp |
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Curious then that Evo would ask TRD to re-send this car for a price-limited track comparison against a purpose-built Miata with an intercooled turbo pushing 270hp, adjustable koni dampers, custom rate springs, exedy clutch, wheels, etc. Especially when they had just tested the Litchfield BRZ which was similarly priced to the Miata, also had aftermarket FI and suspension mods, and was actually faster than the BBR Miata at Blyton Park. That's either bias or stupidity on the part of Evo. Or both honestly.
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