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Old 03-16-2014, 10:31 PM   #337
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I pointed this out too.







It deeper than that INHO. I love the factor stock car as is too, today, this moment in time. But I truly believe there is truly something wrong with the FA20. When chevy's cheapest car (sonic) makes more torque at 1.6L than the 2.0 L FA20 something is wrong. When a Korean 4 cylinder Genesis coupe has 80% more torque, something ain't right.


This has nothing to do with being the fastist kid on the block. There isn't a turbo on the factory FA20 IMHO because there is something terribly wrong with D4-S + boxer combo. The engineers knew it. Subara said this platform would debut at 300 hp, well the engine just about did in a forester without D4-s but rather with Subaru DI. Being rated a don't buy from Consumer Reports is a big deal. When I bought this "Toyota" I thought 200k miles was a shoe-in. Now a repair that costs more than KBB looks inevitable before 100k.


Bullet proof reliability is what made Toyota overtake the mighty GM.. Smart low-mid income people save $'s until their 30's for a Toyota down payment because they want a car that never needs an engine or tranny. Then they drive it till they retire.


I hope we have that kind of reliability with the FR-S but it just don't look that way. I really hope I'm wrong.
You do realize the Sonic and Genesis coupe are both turbo cars right?
You do realize that turbo and supercharger applications basically deliver the same effects as increasing the displacement of an engine?
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Old 03-17-2014, 03:00 AM   #339
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You do realize the Sonic and Genesis coupe are both turbo cars right?
You do realize that turbo and supercharger applications basically deliver the same effects as increasing the displacement of an engine?




You didn't read my post do I have to repeat it ? I will.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:21 AM   #340
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Thanks for the reply, and I did read your post. I've been on the forum for a while and I've read just about every failure thread as the "warranty" section is my favorite section.

It's hard for me personally to judge based on forum posts what issues will actually crop up for the majority of users. I hope you are wrong about the engine life of this car. However, I plan to engine swap and go dedicated track/speed machine if it does crap out in 5 years.
He is, him and whitigir (who doesnt even have one) bash the crap out of this car and spread overreactions/false information. The car is strong and there are considerably more cars that are 100% fine (other then the crickets) than the cars that are failing. Those two posters are best put on ignore, no clue what they're talking about.
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:14 AM   #341
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First read ny last post, the we have define reliable. For a Toyoa it generally means the engine outlasts the sheet metal (rust.). But with this car we aren't even out of the bumper to bumper warranty and we have rod bearing, camshaft, rocker, di seal failures all reported failure at a moderately high frequency for a small membership car forum. add to that oil packs, overheating, head gaskets, Subaru's track records with WRX and STi'sand finally Consumer Reports says not to buy the car.


I just guessing this is about a 100k mile engine before it has to be oulled to fix something (back before they fixed the immediate di failures I was saying 30k mile -recall.) Oh I hope I am wrong. 'Cause I love this car and want to mod the heck out of it in 2018.
Regalnoia at its best.. You're comments about fa20 engine failures vs Toyota engines is so idiotic and pointless.. It's F-ing ridiculous..
How many people buy a corolla or a Camry to take to the track or use as a drift car? How many owners wind up their corollas and drop the clutch at stop lights?
You keep calling this engine "fragile" , torqueless... Etc.. Yet 100hp per L is nothing to complain about.. It lacks torque.. Just like you would expect a lightweight high revving roadster to be equipped. Yet most of the tq is available way down low and is very useable in the real world.. Allowing this car to get great mileage in the city and hwy when being driven as a commuter car.. Yet you can run it on the back roads and twisties all day long with adequate power and still get good mileage. Not much to complain about here..
You keep saying this engine is fragile and so many failures.. How many failures.. In the tens.. ? Maybe a hundred or so.. Most of them from abuse, bad tunes, track warriors.. The percentage seems to be very low for engine failures.. Some problems exist as in any new engine offering.. Many threads about failures on here are all over the place from the same people.. Self induced, most of them.. From bad mods or abuse. There just aren't that many on here like you would like us to believe.. Nor is your comparisons to other subies or toyota engines.
You have complained about gas mileage, power, reliability, the demise of scion, subarus engines, rattles... Just about everything that has to do with this car..
I think you bought the wrong car and just won't admit it.. So you blame the car, the designers,DI, Toyota, subaru and just about everything else related to this car..
It's really kinda funny to read such negative posts about a very affordable, extremely capable, great looking entry level sports car..
People on here running 400+ HP on a stock block with 12.5:1 CR, FI and all and not having any issues with their "fragile" FA20 setup..
Sell your car and buy a corolla.. Then maybe you will have something nice to say..
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:36 AM   #343
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What's wrong with the current car? I have never seen a group of owners, of anything, so dissatisfied with something they own. It must suck to go for a drive and grind your teeth the whole way thinking of all the faults.



I pointed this out too.

OMG.. You pointed this out too! That's ripe..
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:09 PM   #344
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:33 PM   #345
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I pointed this out too.







It deeper than that INHO. I love the factor stock car as is too, today, this moment in time. But I truly believe there is truly something wrong with the FA20. When chevy's cheapest car (sonic) makes more torque at 1.6L than the 2.0 L FA20 something is wrong. When a Korean 4 cylinder Genesis coupe has 80% more torque, something ain't right.


This has nothing to do with being the fastist kid on the block. There isn't a turbo on the factory FA20 IMHO because there is something terribly wrong with D4-S + boxer combo. The engineers knew it. Subara said this platform would debut at 300 hp, well the engine just about did in a forester without D4-s but rather with Subaru DI. Being rated a don't buy from Consumer Reports is a big deal. When I bought this "Toyota" I thought 200k miles was a shoe-in. Now a repair that costs more than KBB looks inevitable before 100k.


Bullet proof reliability is what made Toyota overtake the mighty GM.. Smart low-mid income people save $'s until their 30's for a Toyota down payment because they want a car that never needs an engine or tranny. Then they drive it till they retire.


I hope we have that kind of reliability with the FR-S but it just don't look that way. I really hope I'm wrong.
Please sell your car and buy a Corolla.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:40 PM   #346
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At the end of the day I'd rather put forth the effort and hardwork in the car myself. If toyota would like to release a turbo sti package or trd supercharger to uphold the warrenty that would be greatly appreciated. First I must make a note to novice drivers purchasing this car or better yet waiting for a boosted option FIRST and foremost learn to drive this car at its current potential without traction control on this will teach you how to save your car instinctually. It's the same as any motor function with time and practice you'll become a better driver. Rear wheel drive car with FI are very tricky do the basics first wheels,tires, suspension than go from there.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:41 PM   #347
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Come on people they have a perfectly good engine. The turbo 2.0 liter engine in the new 2015 WRX. Put that engine in the 2015 FR-s/BRZ as the base engine and call it a day.
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I pointed this out too.







It deeper than that INHO. I love the factor stock car as is too, today, this moment in time. But I truly believe there is truly something wrong with the FA20. When chevy's cheapest car (sonic) makes more torque at 1.6L than the 2.0 L FA20 something is wrong. When a Korean 4 cylinder Genesis coupe has 80% more torque, something ain't right.


This has nothing to do with being the fastist kid on the block. There isn't a turbo on the factory FA20 IMHO because there is something terribly wrong with D4-S + boxer combo. The engineers knew it. Subara said this platform would debut at 300 hp, well the engine just about did in a forester without D4-s but rather with Subaru DI. Being rated a don't buy from Consumer Reports is a big deal. When I bought this "Toyota" I thought 200k miles was a shoe-in. Now a repair that costs more than KBB looks inevitable before 100k.


Bullet proof reliability is what made Toyota overtake the mighty GM.. Smart low-mid income people save $'s until their 30's for a Toyota down payment because they want a car that never needs an engine or tranny. Then they drive it till they retire.


I hope we have that kind of reliability with the FR-S but it just don't look that way. I really hope I'm wrong.
Maybe this is off-topic, but if I'm correct, both Sonic and GC inline 4 is turbo. Maybe that's why it has more tq than FR-S
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Come on people they have a perfectly good engine. The turbo 2.0 liter engine in the new 2015 WRX. Put that engine in the 2015 FR-s/BRZ as the base engine and call it a day.
bottom mounted turbo doesnt fit........................how many times do people have to say it.
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It deeper than that INHO. I love the factor stock car as is too, today, this moment in time. But I truly believe there is truly something wrong with the FA20. When chevy's cheapest car (sonic) makes more torque at 1.6L than the 2.0 L FA20 something is wrong. When a Korean 4 cylinder Genesis coupe has 80% more torque, something ain't right.
To paraphrase this in a way that might show you how ridiculous of a complaint this really is...

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I truly believe there is something wrong with the engine out of the Ferrari 458. When the smallest V6 you can buy in a Ford truck makes more torque at 3.5L than the 4.5L Ferrari, something is wrong. When a Japanese 6 cylinder GT-R makes 70lb-ft more torque, something ain't right.
Now, clearly, this argument doesn't hold water. Why? Because one of the engines mentioned above was designed to rev freely and produce power at high RPM, while the other two are turbo engines designed to produce boost at low to mid RPM. Of course the turbo engines will make more torque. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the high revving naturally aspirated engine though.

(Now, if you can find a similar-displacement, similarly cheap naturally aspirated engine that makes substantially more torque than the FA20, you might have a point. You won't find that though, since it doesn't exist)
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