Performance pack preferences and experiences?

[TunaNoCrust]

Camber bolts, fresh brake fluid, torque wrench, tire pressure gauge, seat time, lots and lots of seat time!

I ran Hawk HP+ F&R they are great entry level with a low initial bite, descent modularity, and good beginner operating temp range. I never even bothered with the TRD pads on track.

Skip the ducts at least for now, these cars aren't particularly hard on brakes.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by RotARy15

That is what I expect. I found a series of roads where I could run the car at about 7/10 for a couple minutes non-stop and the factory oil temp gauge measured 235ish. That seemed to suggest a 15 minute session is too much.

Doesn't suggest that to me... 90F track days, mine goes up to just over 270F and holds there. If it had ever shown signs of continuing to get hotter uncontrolled, I would consider an oil cooler. As it is, I'm not.

The risks of not running an oil cooler IMO tend to be overstated, especially for "casual" HPDE usage. 275F is not a problem for good 30 weight synthetic oil for 15-20 minutes at a time.

Also consider that the risk of adding and running an oil cooler is not zero. Leaks are fairly common, occasionally leading to loss of engine and even loss of car (fire).

You have to assess what is the actual risk you are mitigating, vs. the actual risk you may be adding.

Plenty of us are tracking these cars without a cooler...

[RotARy15]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Doesn't suggest that to me... 90F track days, mine goes up to just over 270F and holds there. If it had ever shown signs of continuing to get hotter uncontrolled, I would consider an oil cooler. As it is, I'm not.

The risks of not running an oil cooler IMO tend to be overstated, especially for "casual" HPDE usage. 275F is not a problem for good 30 weight synthetic oil for 15-20 minutes at a time.

Also consider that the risk of adding and running an oil cooler is not zero. Leaks are fairly common, occasionally leading to loss of engine and even loss of car (fire).

You have to assess what is the actual risk you are mitigating, vs. the actual risk you may be adding.

Plenty of us are tracking these cars without a cooler...

I recognize that. This was in 50F weather so I am concerned but not panicked. My plan was to start tracking in winter so any thermal issues have the best chance of being spotted early.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by RotARy15

I recognize that. This was in 50F weather so I am concerned but not panicked. My plan was to start tracking in winter so any thermal issues have the best chance of being spotted early.

Gotcha. FWIW mine *always* goes to just over 270F and holds there, whether in 90F temps or the coldest temp I've tracked in, probably ~45F. So I think it's somehow either internally thermostatically controlled, *or* the temp reading displayed on the gauge is programmed to go to the same spot and hold until temps start to really get hot, to prevent people from freaking out.

[RotARy15]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Gotcha. FWIW mine *always* goes to just over 270F and holds there, whether in 90F temps or the coldest temp I've tracked in, probably ~45F. So I think it's somehow either internally thermostatically controlled, *or* the temp reading displayed on the gauge is programmed to go to the same spot and hold until temps start to really get hot, to prevent people from freaking out.

Aww yes, the old "People don't know what this means so we will hide the truth from them. Even though the only chance for them to learn is to tell them the truth...."


Like my NB's oil pressure gauge. "What is my pressure?" "Yes"

[Grady]

Originally Posted by RotARy15

Aww yes, the old "People don't know what this means so we will hide the truth from them. Even though the only chance for them to learn is to tell them the truth...."


Like my NB's oil pressure gauge. "What is my pressure?" "Yes"

The truth????? You Cant Handle The Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Grady

The truth????? You Cant Handle The Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Grady]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I am a little older.



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[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by RotARy15

Zero HPDE's. 1 autocross on an actual track (that just seemed goofy). 5-6 time trials at Mineral Wells (think high speed autocross). And 2 full years of local group autocross. My on-board video records suggests 27 autocross events.


My plans for next year are about 1.75 track events a month. Avoiding mid-summer. I'm pretty much burned out on autocross. It's not worth the money to seat-time ratio.

Cool.

I would choose a tire that is not the RE71R in the 200 treadwear category.

In response to your other post:
You don't necessarily need 9 inch wheels and 245s to track your car. A season on the OEM 7.5 inch wheels, 225 tires, and OEM suspension will teach you a lot. You'll really want some camber though, which we can help you with.

G Loc R12 and Cobalt Friction XR2 are great options for you. I have not used the CSG pads but hear good things. Same pad front and rear in most cases.

Seat time, good pads and fluid, and a good alignment will get you really far.

- Andrew

[RotARy15]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Cool.

I would choose a tire that is not the RE71R in the 200 treadwear category.

In response to your other post:
You don't necessarily need 9 inch wheels and 245s to track your car. A season on the OEM 7.5 inch wheels, 225 tires, and OEM suspension will teach you a lot. You'll really want some camber though, which we can help you with.

G Loc R12 and Cobalt Friction XR2 are great options for you. I have not used the CSG pads but hear good things. Same pad front and rear in most cases.

Seat time, good pads and fluid, and a good alignment will get you really far.

- Andrew

How would you describe the main differences between R8, R10, and R12 compounds? What are the release characteristics as they relate to each other? And is there any point in the hierarchy where noise gets insane? I will end up being lazy and just leaving the pads on for the street. I can handle noise but if people start looking for out of control trains while I'm around, it's going to get old.

[i8ur911]

Originally Posted by RotARy15

How would you describe the main differences between R8, R10, and R12 compounds? What are the release characteristics as they relate to each other? And is there any point in the hierarchy where noise gets insane? I will end up being lazy and just leaving the pads on for the street. I can handle noise but if people start looking for out of control trains while I'm around, it's going to get old.

Any decent pad for the track is going to make noise.

One of the pros of the PP cars is the quickness of changing pads with the Brembo's. I can do all 4 calipers in less than an hour....and that's taking my time.

With that being said, it's in your best interest to swap pads. Not only is the noise annoying, but you don't want to wear out expensive pads by street driving them. You also don't want to ruin rotors with using "cold" track pads on the track.

That's my $0.02.

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[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Grady

I am a little older.

I doubt it!
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[ZDan]

Originally Posted by i8ur911

Any decent pad for the track is going to make noise.

Not nearly to the same degree though! WinMax W5 are in a totally different league vs. most track pads, SUPER loud. Meanwhile PFC 11s are practically street-pad quiet, I streeted on them through the entire track season.

A lot of us find it super-convenient to run streetable track pads. I've been doing it for years and will continue to do so, as there are a decent selection of not-too-loud, not-too-dusty, and decent-cold-bite track pads out there like the PFC 11, Carbotech XP8 and XP10 and others.

[i8ur911]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Not nearly to the same degree though! WinMax W5 are in a totally different league vs. most track pads, SUPER loud. Meanwhile PFC 11s are practically street-pad quiet, I streeted on them through the entire track season.



A lot of us find it super-convenient to run streetable track pads. I've been doing it for years and will continue to do so, as there are a decent selection of not-too-loud, not-too-dusty, and decent-cold-bite track pads out there like the PFC 11, Carbotech XP8 and XP10 and others.

I'll have to try these PFC11's at some point then.

Every other track pad I've run makes noise and I've never been a fan of the "street/track" pads. There's always a compromise with those as they can't be great at both disciplines.

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