How would you shift from 4 to 5?

[EAZYBRZY]

Wat?

[immaculate]

You buy an automatic if you have to ask a question like this.

[merlin2111]

I usually drive in city traffic with lights so its FFFIIIRRRSSSTTTT!!! SSSSEEECCCOOONNDDDD!!!!! BBBBRRRRAAAKKKEEEE!!!! stop. repeat.

[Muskokan]

If your asking, do the first method, your not confident in driving manuals. You don't wanna be having hi rev fun and over rev because you accidentally hit 3rd.

[chas3wba0]

Not a dumb question actually. Method 2, because less chance of getting stuck between gates

[krayzie]

Use the method that is more consistent for you to get it right.

[ashtray]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

Not a dumb question actually. Method 2, because less chance of getting stuck between gates

I think method 1 gives you less chance of getting stuck between gates. If you're shifting too fast 4 to 5, you might be pushing up faster than you are pushing over and hit the gate between 3 and 5. Recognizing the dog leg up over up action means you're actively avoiding the gates.

Shifting 2-3 you shift up and let the shifter center itself then push up again. You don't need to really push over much to the right.

In fact, the only time I'm pushing right besides the shift into 5th is between 5 and 6. If you just pull straight down the spring will try to center the shifter and you'll hit the gate between 4 and 6.

That's of course if you're not man-handling the shifter and slamming it from gear to gear. I've never had to replace a clutch or have syncros go bad in one of my cars. No transmission rebuilds. Just slip it into gear with a matched rpm and everything is good.

I recognize I'm very much in the minority on this, even among enthusiasts.

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by ashtray

I think method 1 gives you less chance of getting stuck between gates. If you're shifting too fast 4 to 5, you might be pushing up faster than you are pushing over and hit the gate between 3 and 5. Recognizing the dog leg up over up action means you're actively avoiding the gates.

Shifting 2-3 you shift up and let the shifter center itself then push up again. You don't need to really push over much to the right.

In fact, the only time I'm pushing right besides the shift into 5th is between 5 and 6. If you just pull straight down the spring will try to center the shifter and you'll hit the gate between 4 and 6.

That's of course if you're not man-handling the shifter and slamming it from gear to gear. I've never had to replace a clutch or have syncros go bad in one of my cars. No transmission rebuilds. Just slip it into gear with a matched rpm and everything is good.

I recognize I'm very much in the minority on this, even among enthusiasts.

I started off doing the first method. I will agree that there is a bit more deliberation involved in that method, but I would occasionally miss, particularly when trying to shift hastily.
Some more seat time would probably have improved my accuracy, but I went the other route and just started doing method 2. No more missed shifts, so I stuck with it.

Of course, I'm habitually making sure to push it to the right enough to clear the gate. Guess it all comes down to what the individual is most comfortable and consistent with

[SirBrass]

in short, to sum up this thread:

In order to shift from 4th to 5th, you disengage the clutch, shift from 4th to 5th, and reengage the clutch.

/thread

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

in short, to sum up this thread:

In order to shift from 4th to 5th, you disengage the clutch, shift from 4th to 5th, and reengage the clutch.

/thread

Yup... That should cover it.

May I suggest a few topics for new interesting threads:
- Foot placement on ground when getting in and out of car
- How to ease off the brake to have a smooth full stop
- A/C settings for warm and cold weather

[mrhemi]

It's a good thing you are not dealing with a Hurst shifter from the '60s.

mrhemi

[1Cor10:23]

Just start off with whatever works, likely method where you push with a slanted force. After a while you'll get the feel for the gates and do it properly. the problem is that 5th is slightly 'out there' and we just do get enough practice making the shift since it's essentially all about merging on highways. Problem is doing it fast since gearing doesn't give you many RPMs of leeway from 4 -> 5.

[Marcoscrdo]

Originally Posted by qqzj

Method 1: up -> right -> up.
Method 2: push the shifter toward up-right direction in one single stroke.

What is the theoretically correct approach? Or, under what kind of situations, one approach is better than the other? Thanks.

I understand what your getting at. I sometimes wonder if you do method 2 that it rubs against other parts causing ware and tear eventually. I always did method 1 though. /shrug

[qqzj]

Thanks for the considerate comments. That is exactly what I am getting at. In layman's theory, 2 should be easier on the shifter and transmission etc. However, if 1 is the correct approach, I would think Subaru must have done something about it. So if I do not do 2, I just do it wrong.

I have always been doing 1, but recently I started practicing 2. I heard somewhere before that if I can match the speed well, I can push the shifter into gear with two fingers easily. I actually can achieve this using 1. But it is very hard to achieve this effect using 2, since I got a lot of resistance in doing so. It feels that the gearbox is not very well lubricated and I forced the shifter in. The resistance is so big that I started to suspect whether it is the right thing to do.

Anyway, I could not drive manual before I got my BRZ and learned driving manual from online. After 4000 miles I can now drive w/o too much drama. But I am always concerned whether my approach is optimal or not. Thanks for the help again.

Originally Posted by Marcoscrdo

I understand what your getting at. I sometimes wonder if you do method 2 that it rubs against other parts causing ware and tear eventually. I always did method 1 though. /shrug