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Old 11-25-2017, 05:16 PM   #15
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:25 PM   #16
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everyone will give you a different opinion. If you value straight line speed that much, you should get a car with more factory horsepower and call it a day.

$6-8k for FI + other stuff is not enough budget to accomplish what you want. It will end up being $10-15k
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:59 PM   #17
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Here’s what you do...tell yourself you will hold off on boosting your car for 1 month.
When that month passes tell yourself “ok you know what let me hold off just one more month. Just one”

Repeat this after every month ...........
Ahhh.......yes, a twist on the proven AA strategy ...... I won't drink today .....and then tomorrow, say, I won't drink today ......


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Old 11-25-2017, 06:26 PM   #18
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Superb comment! I agree 100%

I actually had the same feelings when I bought this car. I kept thinking about future modifications that would make it faster until I realized that I had already owned this car for 3 years and been enjoying every moment of it with just some simply bolt on parts (exhaust, front pipe) I had been putting on throughout the years.

I came to the conclusion that I just don't need that power to enjoy this car. Exact reasons why I sold my WRX & 335i and replaced them with this car.

I have a few other cars in my garage (Honda Accord, Honda Fit, Volvo S90) and driving the FRS/86 after them is a beautiful thing

None of those other cars give the same emotionally connection like these twins.

Also, since your in Ontario. You must also factor in that no insurance company would legally insure you with such extreme modifications like FI. Of course you can just not tell them....but in the case of an accident you could end up in a horrible legal situation.

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Of course, these are just my opinions on this subject.

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FWIW, I talked to my insurance broker about modifying my car. He says if you modify the engine or suspension in any way it's only the car that is not covered. All other liabilities are in place.

I would encourage anyone to check with their own broker. These laws are fairly new.
You can modify as much as you want and get full coverage on your car. You have to go to one of a couple of specialty insurance companies though and it is gonna cost you. You have to pay to play.
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Old 11-25-2017, 06:42 PM   #19
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The more I drive my friends' boosted twins, the more I appreciate my stock powerplant.

I suggest you make friends with other "enthusiasts" near you and see if you like the boosted feel. There are always tradeoffs between the best tuned na/centrifugal/pd/turbo setups.
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Put money into track time and coaching. You'll forget all about more HP
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:03 PM   #21
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I agree with people who say keep it and enjoy it, if you do; also with those who slide regarding the tracking.
My car is a "third" car. I had the same thoughts as you do and basically same situation. I went to HPDE day this year, after owning a car for nearly 5 years. I'm sold on the fact that there is a ton to learn and experience, even before you get to the power question. If you find tracking interesting (not sure if you did or you do regularly), I think that is by far the best way to spend money and a lot less than you would spend on modding.
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Old 11-26-2017, 08:57 PM   #22
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I drove a bunch of cars.
335is.corola.c30t5- extended periods of time.
I test drove more cars than probably 5 average people combined.

Now I drive frs and a 4runner v8.

I would not sell the frs. Ever. it puts a smile on my face to drive it. Its the vehicle that I enjoy the most to drive. Yet, it needs more power. So, I will be supercharging mine as soon as I get the money.

Its all.about what your situation is and how you and your family want to go about things
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:21 PM   #23
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Drive what you enjoy.

I've had countless cars over the years. Most Recently being an e92 M3.

You really need to find out what you want and what brings you the most happiness behind the wheel.

The FRS/BRZ was never a platform I would consider. I'm blessed in life and have a great job. I could have easily been in a new Stingray, a 911, GTR, etc.

I was given the chance to drive a BRZ by a friend of mine. The car really took me by surprise. It's so balanced and nimble. I had a blast driving it. Reminded me when I was younger and was driving a '02 Mini Cooper. Sure it wasn't fast, but I had more fun with that car than any car i've ever had!

Anyways, my buddy was in your shoes and had never owned a higher HP car. I ended up buying it from him and he picked up a 5.0 Mustang.

Power is addicting. You always want more. From someone who has been there. Don't get caught up in the dck measuring contest that is HorsePower.

The BRZ is my weekend/Auto-X fun car. When I drive my SUV and get in the seat of the BRZ I don't care how much hp it has because its such a joy to drive.

Now if you aren't getting that joy out of your car, maybe its time to try something else. Doesn't mean you can come back for another one day!
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Someone will always have more power so it's a non winable game. Hell, my '74 911S was slower than my 86 and I never heard people bitching about those being slow. We've just gotten used to these ridiculously high HP cars.
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My opinion, if you are interested in track, don't sell and don't go FI. Use that money for a good track set up.
If you are looking for street fun, I'd say sell. I've had a blast in my FI frs since 2013, but I've spent over $10k to get where I want.
As a comparison, I've bought a used Evo and spent only $1.7k on it in mods and tune and I have +25hp/+100tq over my frs with those mods. If you are looking for butt dyno fun, there are better ways of achieving it. It also handles a lot better in the canyons with good tires. So you kind of have the best of all worlds.
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My opinion, if you are interested in track, don't sell and don't go FI. Use that money for a good track set up.
If you are looking for street fun, I'd say sell. I've had a blast in my FI frs since 2013, but I've spent over $10k to get where I want.
As a comparison, I've bought a used Evo and spent only $1.7k on it in mods and tune and I have +25hp/+100tq over my frs with those mods. If you are looking for butt dyno fun, there are better ways of achieving it. It also handles a lot better in the canyons with good tires. So you kind of have the best of all worlds.
Useless comparison..

Your Lancer weight: 3517 lb...
Your FRS weight: 2,806 lb...

People often forget that the only thing that really matters for your "buttdyno" is power to weight ratio.. HP on it's own is a false metric.. NM more accurate anyway. +25hp/+100tq on an AWD monster like that means a lot less than it would for a light FRS... This is assuming your lancer was not weight reduced.

I do agree tho... don't sell, don't go FI. And @OP if you think a mustang will be fun to drive in comparison just remember that not so long ago those still sported truck suspension aka solid rear axles..
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I'm with those that say keep the FR-S and get some seat time at the track and autocross. When you see an M3 get smoked by a good driver in some FWD econobox with nothing more than a few upgrades to its tires and suspension, you might reconsider your need for a turbo.

But if you've been to the track a few times and you just want the turbo for some fun on the highway, I would get the M235i. It's still a nice, nimble RWD car for the track, and plenty of power for highway pulls. Out of those three I think its the closest to a turbo FR-S.

I think if you really want to get your money's worth for a +$6k turbo kit on your FR-S, IMO you gotta max out all the usual track car mods first (tires, brakes, suspension, bolt ons, aero and of course, driver mod).
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:58 PM   #28
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Useless comparison..

Your Lancer weight: 3517 lb...
Your FRS weight: 2,806 lb...

People often forget that the only thing that really matters for your "buttdyno" is power to weight ratio.. HP on it's own is a false metric.. NM more accurate anyway. +25hp/+100tq on an AWD monster like that means a lot less than it would for a light FRS... This is assuming your lancer was not weight reduced.

I do agree tho... don't sell, don't go FI. And @OP if you think a mustang will be fun to drive in comparison just remember that not so long ago those still sported truck suspension aka solid rear axles..
How is that a useless comparison? Tq doesn't mean less with awd it means more if anything because it can actually apply it to the ground.
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