Toyota to scrap Scion brand, but FR-S will become a Toyota!

[Saber_TRD]

About time. I haven't stopped smiling since I read this. Now, we wait and see if they simply swap the badges or actually give us the trim levels some of us have been kicking and screaming for. GT86 Limited and don't skimp on the currently missing items (seen here) for me please. As well as including the bare bones base and everything in between as options for those who want them. Otherwise it's not much of a victory.

All I'm saying is, do it right Toyota. Please. You've made us wait and suffer long enough, do it right.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Time to rebadge McLaren or Aston Martin?



LOL

Or with winged lions!

[ChrisFL]

Originally Posted by gymratter

It may depend on what will happen with the face lift 86. Will it look better or worst? Will it have a small power bumper? Will it have any interior upgrades and new tech? Will the price go up? I think its too early to tell.

*worse

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

About time. I haven't stopped smiling since I read this. Now, we wait and see if they simply swap the badges or actually give us the trim levels some of us have been kicking and screaming for. GT86 Limited and don't skimp on the currently missing items (seen here) for me please. As well as including the bare bones base and everything in between as options for those who want them. Otherwise it's not much of a victory.

All I'm saying is, do it right Toyota. Please. You've made us wait and suffer long enough, do it right.

Best comment so far right there!^^^

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Just the logo stamp change on a single part could potentially void a contract(depending on the terms) or increase costs significantly or increase production time/backorder

They already make the parts to badge all of the cars as a Toyota for all of the Scion line. Ordering a few extra Toyota emblems and nameplates (that they already have in production) instead of the Scion ones is a very small change indeed.

iM is already built as the Toyota Auris at the same factory.
FR-S is already built as the Toyota 86 at the same factory.
iA is already built as the Toyota Yaris at the same factory.

It's literally zero extra parts to develop to do this change, all you need to do is stop making a few emblems at the factories.

I would bet that this was in talks for a relatively extended period but that the final decision happened recently.

Jeff

[MokSpeed]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

About time. I haven't stopped smiling since I read this. Now, we wait and see if they simply swap the badges or actually give us the trim levels some of us have been kicking and screaming for. GT86 Limited and don't skimp on the currently missing items (seen here) for me please. As well as including the bare bones base and everything in between as options for those who want them. Otherwise it's not much of a victory.

All I'm saying is, do it right Toyota. Please. You've made us wait and suffer long enough, do it right.

This is exactly what I'm waiting for as well. If this becomes a reality I will be loading up on GT-S trim level parts.

[Packofcrows]

Trims would be nice.


Only thing i'd like to look forward is for about 10db less in noise at highway speed, better mpg (bump to 34 for manual in hwy), better sound system and more pvc/leather in seats. I like Alcantara but i feel limited somehow....


I'm against a 'performance' edition. They should all be bumped 25hp-50 and no more, or nothing at all.

[Atticus808]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or with winged lions!

aware

[c4lvinnn]

The only "trim" I wish I got were OEM Xenons/HIDs. I was not about to buy the Tom Selleck version (or Monogram/S1) just for OEM Xenons and other add-on doo-dads that I didn't care about.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

It already cost more than what they originally aimed at and it has ballooned up since then. I would argue about what people consider, as there is a wide range of available RWD vehicles with power right now. I know of a few potential buyers that turned away after a test drive. I know I did on my first test drive.

We have debated this before but to say more would have been sold based on higher power is just a bias of the higher power guys with nothing to substantiate the theory.


For everybody that didn't buy one but may have if it had more HP there is probably at least one person that bought it that would not have because it scared the crap out of them.


So as far as that goes we can probably just call it a wash for the two groups.


Now... having said that if they had offered an "normal" one for the average Joe and a higher powered version for the guys that want to kill 'Stangs then they may have sold more but I don't think that number would be as big as some say.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Trims would be nice.


Only thing i'd like to look forward is for about 10db less in noise at highway speed, better mpg (bump to 34 for manual in hwy), better sound system and more pvc/leather in seats. I like Alcantara but i feel limited somehow....

These things can be counter intuitive there Pack. You add weight you reduce mileage. Of course they could do other things to increase mileage but then you give up something else. It is a viscous circle sometimes.

[c4lvinnn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have debated this before but to say more would have been sold based on higher power is just a bias of the higher power guys with nothing to substantiate the theory.


For everybody that didn't buy one but may have if it had more HP there is probably at least one person that bought it that would not have because it scared the crap out of them.


So as far as that goes we can probably just call it a wash for the two groups.


Now... having said that if they had offered an "normal" one for the average Joe and a higher powered version for the guys that want to kill 'Stangs then they may have sold more but I don't think that number would be as big as some say.

The people who cry about not having "enough" power are the ones who don't know why the toyobaruion was created and sold in the first place. If you added more power from the factory, it would have dropped it into the segment that costs a lot more. Then you have the same people bitching about how expensive it is instead.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have debated this before but to say more would have been sold based on higher power is just a bias of the higher power guys with nothing to substantiate the theory.


For everybody that didn't buy one but may have if it had more HP there is probably at least one person that bought it that would not have because it scared the crap out of them.


So as far as that goes we can probably just call it a wash for the two groups.


Now... having said that if they had offered an "normal" one for the average Joe and a higher powered version for the guys that want to kill 'Stangs then they may have sold more but I don't think that number would be as big as some say.

I don't honestly think they could have supported two versions. Maybe, judging by the series.blue and release series, but a factory FI version...doubtful.


With what engines Subaru has available, what power bump the "new" model will get won't be big. It isn't like they can do anything unless it is drastic to get some real power. Maybe it is a wash, but at least it would make "more" people happy?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by c4lvinnn

The people who cry about not having "enough" power are the ones who don't know why the toyobaruion was created and sold in the first place. If you added more power from the factory, it would have dropped it into the segment that costs a lot more. Then you have the same people bitching about how expensive it is instead.

When they were originally announcing the car in the 20-22K range 200 HP was awesome. Now that they're 26-27+, lets be real....