5 reasons to choose a MT - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Tim_Asphalt_FRS · 01-15-2013, 01:07 PM

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leon78 · 01-15-2013, 01:20 PM

#1 is not completely true with the modern 8spd auto trannys in some vics...and for instance….the auto 12+ 5.0’s is a few tenths faster in the 1320 than the MT. But that’s neither here nor there...all my cars/trucks have been 4/5/6 spds.

ATL BRZ · 01-15-2013, 01:37 PM

There is a proper dual-clutch auto out there that I'd drive in a heartbeat over the MT version.

I've personally driven two different Cayman R's with 6MT and PDK, and ridden on track in a 987 S with PDK and flappy paddles, it's an incredibly good transmission, better than the MT I'd say for a track car where every split second counts.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDsTR_UQGWA"]sport auto Trackday 2010 / NÃ¼rburgring Nordschleife Porsche Cayman S II with PDK - DSK BMW Z4 USA - YouTube[/ame]

It just shifts so damn fast, and the downshifts are buttery smooth under threshold braking. Driving a PDK with paddles keeps you that much more focused on driving at the limit, and it's just as much fun as the manual.

But for the FRS/BRZ, 6MT all the way

King Tut · 01-15-2013, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

I've personally driven two different Cayman R's with 6MT and PDK, and ridden on track in a 987 S with PDK and flappy paddles, it's an incredibly good transmission, better than the MT I'd say for a track car where every split second counts.

To win the HPDE Trophy, amirite?

ATL BRZ · 01-15-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut

To win the HPDE Trophy, amirite?

Precisely!

whaap · 01-15-2013, 02:02 PM

I'll agree with 3, 4 and 5. I don't care about 1 and I don't keep a car long enough to worry about 2.

gmookher · 01-15-2013, 02:54 PM

#5

ichitaka05 · 01-15-2013, 02:58 PM

& sometimes #6 - Protection from car thief. Some moron thief don't know how to drive MT LMAO

Ryephile · 01-15-2013, 02:59 PM

I'd like to expand #4 to include instilling a sense of responsibility in piloting a multi-thousand pound weapon.

#1 can be false if we're comparing to a properly designed CVT and ECU strategy, but CVT's almost always vacuum the fun out of the drive.

dem00n · 01-15-2013, 03:38 PM

If you bought a stick for better fuel economy...

Topic is a bit basis, manuals are great in some cars, meh in others(majority).

Captain Snooze · 01-15-2013, 03:38 PM

#1 Not necessarily true
#2 What's the expected service life of a modern auto?
#3 If you want to txt and drive a manual isn't going to stop you
#4 Only if this matters to you
#5 See point above
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. Is the op seeking confirmation of their own opinion? There are many people who enjoy their auto/pdk/flappy paddle gearbox. Pointless thread imo.

srtblake · 01-15-2013, 07:23 PM

thats kool ,and Im gunna let you finish in a minute, but um.........this is why I chose A/T

cruzinbill · 01-15-2013, 07:30 PM

1-incorrect for fr-s
2-incorrect for challenger
3-people always find away to be stupid even if they have to drive with their knees
4-dont really feel accomplished by simple motor skill tasked, but maybe some people are.
5-I agree here, aside from in an hour of stop and go traffic...then I want to punch babies and puppies in the face.

Overall a terrible "blog" by a fly by night shy-sty "insurance" company

draggin_az · 01-16-2013, 08:00 AM

#1 is incorrect only b/c i love the way the engine sounds between 4-7k rpms, spinning the tires and whipping the rearend around when you hit second is way to fun, and i downshift more aggressivly.

my mpg has gone down since i got my tune. not b/c of the tune but b/c of how fun it is to drive.

01-15-2013, 02:58 PM	#8
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01-15-2013, 02:59 PM	#9
Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 103 Thanked 173 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd like to expand #4 to include instilling a sense of responsibility in piloting a multi-thousand pound weapon. #1 can be false if we're comparing to a properly designed CVT and ECU strategy, but CVT's almost always vacuum the fun out of the drive. __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

01-15-2013, 07:23 PM	#12
srtblake Chrysler/jeep/dodge tech Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: FR-S driver Location: southside chicago Posts: 154 Thanks: 14 Thanked 73 Times in 39 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	thats kool ,and Im gunna let you finish in a minute, but um.........this is why I chose A/T __________________ False start member

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01-15-2013, 01:07 PM	#1
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01-15-2013, 01:20 PM	#2
leon78 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 13 Whiteout Location: Niceville FL Posts: 666 Thanks: 307 Thanked 241 Times in 142 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	#1 is not completely true with the modern 8spd auto trannys in some vics...and for instance….the auto 12+ 5.0’s is a few tenths faster in the 1320 than the MT. But that’s neither here nor there...all my cars/trucks have been 4/5/6 spds. __________________ 2013 Scion FR-S (Whiteout) GunMetal 16x8+25 Enkei CompE_Cusco OCC_ Kartboy Crank Pulley_Kartboy TMM insert_Koni Yellows_RCE Springs_K&N Drop-In_Eibach FSB_J2 Catless FP_WhiteLine Camber Bolts_NameLess Track Pipe_RBF600_Ferodo DS2500_PTUNING Tuned. Less parking more racing

01-15-2013, 01:37 PM	#3
ATL BRZ Driving Coach Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,666 Thanks: 3,723 Thanked 4,137 Times in 1,707 Posts Mentioned: 90 Post(s) Tagged: 6 Thread(s)	There is a proper dual-clutch auto out there that I'd drive in a heartbeat over the MT version. I've personally driven two different Cayman R's with 6MT and PDK, and ridden on track in a 987 S with PDK and flappy paddles, it's an incredibly good transmission, better than the MT I'd say for a track car where every split second counts. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDsTR_UQGWA"]sport auto Trackday 2010 / NÃ¼rburgring Nordschleife Porsche Cayman S II with PDK - DSK BMW Z4 USA - YouTube[/ame] It just shifts so damn fast, and the downshifts are buttery smooth under threshold braking. Driving a PDK with paddles keeps you that much more focused on driving at the limit, and it's just as much fun as the manual. But for the FRS/BRZ, 6MT all the way __________________ __________________________Pure Motorsport: JDL Turbo BRZ Track Build_______________________ Last edited by ATL BRZ; 01-15-2013 at 01:52 PM.

01-15-2013, 02:02 PM	#6
whaap Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V Location: Tucson Posts: 2,133 Thanks: 243 Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'll agree with 3, 4 and 5. I don't care about 1 and I don't keep a car long enough to worry about 2.

01-15-2013, 02:54 PM	#7
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01-15-2013, 03:38 PM	#10
dem00n Member of the year - 2016 Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: New York Posts: 3,575 Thanks: 788 Thanked 2,427 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you bought a stick for better fuel economy... Topic is a bit basis, manuals are great in some cars, meh in others(majority).

01-15-2013, 03:38 PM	#11
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,723 Thanks: 3,993 Thanked 9,346 Times in 4,127 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	#1 Not necessarily true #2 What's the expected service life of a modern auto? #3 If you want to txt and drive a manual isn't going to stop you #4 Only if this matters to you #5 See point above I don't understand the purpose of this thread. Is the op seeking confirmation of their own opinion? There are many people who enjoy their auto/pdk/flappy paddle gearbox. Pointless thread imo.

01-16-2013, 08:00 AM	#14
draggin_az Small penis big dreams Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: '13 Scion FR-S Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 585 Thanks: 377 Thanked 289 Times in 147 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 7 Thread(s)	#1 is incorrect only b/c i love the way the engine sounds between 4-7k rpms, spinning the tires and whipping the rearend around when you hit second is way to fun, and i downshift more aggressivly. my mpg has gone down since i got my tune. not b/c of the tune but b/c of how fun it is to drive.

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