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Old 09-20-2018, 10:01 AM   #127
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The guy who owns Puristmod is the same guy who posted earlier in this thread... Dustin@Dynosty.

I actually bought Dustin's car (which had the BEAMS swap done on it) for my LS swap. Super nice guy. Send an email and ask questions if you've got them, I'm sure he'd be more than happy to help out!
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:45 PM   #128
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Cool swap! How come you didn't do a 4th gen Caldina 3SGTE swap? Wanted to keep it NA?
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:54 AM   #129
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Cool swap! How come you didn't do a 4th gen Caldina 3SGTE swap? Wanted to keep it NA?
Aren’t all 3sgte’s transverse mounted? I’m sure the blocks are the same and would bolt to the longitudinal 6 speed from the 3sge, but maybe the 3sge BEAMS engine is better. The head is better I believe and the higher compression may be more manageable these days, so it may not be a problem, or even advantageous.

If I ever do a swap then this motor is high on the list if I want to keep the car all Toyota.
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I was considering more about what I said above, about how the 3sgte block may bolt to the 3sge (longitudinal) transmission. I was figuring before that the blocks were likely the same, just as the 2jzge and 2jzgte blocks are nearly identical. It seems that the 3sge was available as a straight longitudinal layout and as a transverse slanted layout. The 3sgte was only available as a transverse slanted layout, so I don't think using the 3sgte would be possible. Not only would the longitudinal transmission likely not bolt up, but the oil system might be compromised rotating the block vertical if there are differences made to the block to accommodate the slant setup.


3sge longitudinal





3sge transverse




3sgte transverse

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I wish my 86 had a modern 3SGE BEAMS.

Even with the emmisions stuff that would be required, I'm sure some parts, hammer and screwdriver and some tuning would unleash some high reving NA goodness.
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I wish my 86 had a modern 3SGE BEAMS.

Even with the emmisions stuff that would be required, I'm sure some parts, hammer and screwdriver and some tuning would unleash some high reving NA goodness.
I’m really debating between a 3sge, a k20 or building the fa20 and doing a transmission swap. I want something light, and I want something that stays true to the platform (ie, 4 cylinder 86x86). The 3sge successor, the 2zz, isn’t 86x86, nor does it excite me like the 3sge would. The k20 is probably the better motor, even though it is annopen deck and the 3sge is a closed deck, but I am partial to making an all Toyota setup than another combo. This would be down the line when I develop something just for the track.
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I still haven't received a recall notice in the mail (guess I need to double-check my VIN - the Toyota site showed it as being affected) for valve springs...but with the way it's starting to seem more likely to have engine failure FROM the recall work...I might just leave things as-is and if it blows...well, time to swap in the BEAMS.

At least, that's my theory...in reality I'll probably get the recall work done if I get the letter...and keep fingers crossed, but at least have a "warranty" to fall back on. That said, I'd rather have a BEAMS than FA20...all things even (ie, not involving me paying thousands for a swap).
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As much as I love my car, my greatest wish is that they'd done this the opposite - let Toyota handle the engine, and let Subaru do the 6 speed trans from the STI. Oh well, dreams keep me from staring at the ground too long.
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As much as I love my car, my greatest wish is that they'd done this the opposite - let Toyota handle the engine, and let Subaru do the 6 speed trans from the STI. Oh well, dreams keep me from staring at the ground too long.
Are STI transmissions outsourced like most other transmissions? The STI is just special because there are like two LSD’s on the AWD setup with like a torsion rear and a haldex center or something; I can’t remember. Are they known though for being stronger?
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I still haven't received a recall notice in the mail (guess I need to double-check my VIN - the Toyota site showed it as being affected) for valve springs...but with the way it's starting to seem more likely to have engine failure FROM the recall work...I might just leave things as-is and if it blows...well, time to swap in the BEAMS.

At least, that's my theory...in reality I'll probably get the recall work done if I get the letter...and keep fingers crossed, but at least have a "warranty" to fall back on. That said, I'd rather have a BEAMS than FA20...all things even (ie, not involving me paying thousands for a swap).
Looks like you have some experience with Toyota 4 cylinders, but not a Beams, right? Are you thinking BEAMS over K20/K24 because of keeping it Toyota?

The other caveat to the K20/24 swap is Pure Automotive offering a Motec plug and play solution. That is tempting if only to save days of wiring headaches. Might be worth the extra money.

I’m admittedly naive about wiring, but I’m curious if it would be possible to adapt the FA20 wiring harness to a 3sge engine. Like if I used the FA20’s throttle body onto a custom intake manifold wouldn’t that work? Couldnt the wires for the coils work for the 3sge or for aftermarket replacements? I dunno. Could that work with an ECUtek? I dunno.
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Are STI transmissions outsourced like most other transmissions? The STI is just special because there are like two LSD’s on the AWD setup with like a torsion rear and a haldex center or something; I can’t remember. Are they known though for being stronger?
The STI transmission is known to hold up over 600AWHP and survive endless launches, it's basically a given that if you want a high horsepower WRX, you swap in an STI trans and driveline. It's an incredible feat to have that trans come stock in an STI, almost unfair, I don't know much about it other than at my friend's shop, it goes into just about every 10k+ WRX build
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Looks like you have some experience with Toyota 4 cylinders, but not a Beams, right? Are you thinking BEAMS over K20/K24 because of keeping it Toyota?
That's correct, I like the idea of the BEAMS because it's more along the lines of what I expected when the FT-86 concept first appeared, before the partnership, etc. And I trust Toyota engine's reliability based on previous experience. (While I also understand many people have a history of similar experience with Subaru engines). But it's not something I'd ever consider unless something happened to the FA20, as I don't think it'd be much of a performance gain.

I had many Celicas with S series engine blocks. 2S-E, 3S-FE, 3S-GE (non-BEAMS), 3S-GTE (1st & 2nd gen) and 5S-FE (in both Celica & MR2). Of course, only the ones with G heads had much performance potential, but they were all quite reliable and easy to work on...well, the 3S-GTE in the All-Tracs were a bit crowded.

And all that said, I have zero experience with swaps. So I'd likely be paying to have it done. I'm hoping my FA20 proves to be reliable!
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The STI transmission is known to hold up over 600AWHP and survive endless launches, it's basically a given that if you want a high horsepower WRX, you swap in an STI trans and driveline. It's an incredible feat to have that trans come stock in an STI, almost unfair, I don't know much about it other than at my friend's shop, it goes into just about every 10k+ WRX build
The strength is wild.

They use a Nissan R180 rear differential, the early ones have a very nice Suretrack front differential, and a driver controlled center so you can adjust how it locks up front to rear. In 04 the driver controlled center became available and still came with the Suretrack. Doing a full driveline also lets you run the extra beefy STi rear axles.

Many people call it too simple and not as amazing in the snow as things like Quattro, but if you want a driveline that does what the driver asks for, I don't know that there's a more competent system. Quattro has some amazing intelligence if you don't mind dealing with a a failure-prone Haldex controller, but remember that this is the car making decisions for you. If you want that, it's fine. If you want a mechanical lockup as you lay into throttle and aim/go to work, the STi is really a riot. (I love my STi driveline, but I'm not going to pretend it's always the best, OR the most refined...it's not.)
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