What's Going on Between Toyota & Subaru on the Convertible Version of the 86/FR-S/BRZ - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

FirestormFRS · 11-22-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Does anyone think Toyota will just increase its share in Subaru and have full control?

No.....

NWFRS · 11-22-2013, 06:24 PM

It makes no difference to me whether or not a convertible is offered. I waited YEARS for a car like this to be built. My first new car. The country is full of MX-5s, S2000s and MR2 Spiders that only get driven two days a week.

sprintertrueno86 · 11-22-2013, 06:37 PM

No convertible, no sedan no wagon versions...Just give us TRD version of an 86/FR-S and a STi BRZ.

kuhlka · 11-24-2013, 10:12 AM

You know what I think when I look at the 86?

Man this car REALLY needs LESS room in the back seat and trunk.

kuhlka · 11-24-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sprintertrueno86

No convertible, no sedan no wagon versions...Just give us TRD version of an 86/FR-S and a STi BRZ.

You mean a real turbo'd (or SC) STI version, right? I'd consider selling my car privately and getting an STI if they released one with 250+whp.

Deslock · 11-24-2013, 10:40 AM

For purposes of comparison,

S2000 x-bone:

FT86 safe-ring frame:

That the open-top S2000 attained 22,000 Nm/degree was remarkable. The FT86 doesn't have a similarly tall chassis tunnel running down the middle, and its longer wheelbase would make open-top torsional rigidity that much more challenging. Even with a significant weight increase due to chassis reinforcements, it'd still be comparably noodly.

I'm with Yoshinaga on this one.

vh_supra26 · 11-24-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sprintertrueno86

No convertible, no sedan no wagon versions...Just give us a MK5 Supra.

Fix

dem00n · 11-24-2013, 11:33 AM

T-top it is!

GMU-BRZ · 11-24-2013, 11:44 AM

No shock here. Subaru was already forced to pick between a sedan and hatch WRX because their engineering department is spread so thin they couldn't invest the resources to do both (per SOA Blog on NASIOC). This despite the hatches making up 50% of their US WRX sales. Have to think that making a convertible GT86 for Toyota is WAY further down the list of priorities.

Dr. BRZ · 11-24-2013, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuhlka

You mean a real turbo'd (or SC) STI version, right? I'd consider selling my car privately and getting an STI if they released one with 250+whp.

same here buddy!

Grateful Dave · 11-24-2013, 12:20 PM

Toyota and Subaru have had their disagreements before (rear wheel drive Toyota vs all wheel drive Subaru) which stopped production for so many months. Subaru had to be shown the nice things about rear wheel for this car from Toyota. Then Subaru agreed and went forward. The same thing will happen here. They should take the back seats out and make it a two seater. They can modify the frame structure and add a flat roll bar behind the seats for safety. It might add some weight but it can be done.

Whitigir · 11-24-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

Toyota and Subaru have had their disagreements before (rear wheel drive Toyota vs all wheel drive Subaru) which stopped production for so many months. Subaru had to be shown the nice things about rear wheel for this car from Toyota. Then Subaru agreed and went forward. The same thing will happen here. They should take the back seats out and make it a two seater. They can modify the frame structure and add a flat roll bar behind the seats for safety. It might add some weight but it can be done.

You may as well develop another platform all together with that much works. New MR-2 ? sure, but the drop top is not happening

Deslock · 11-24-2013, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

They should take the back seats out and make it a two seater. They can modify the frame structure and add a flat roll bar behind the seats for safety. It might add some weight but it can be done.

Shortening the wheelbase would help reduce weight in an open-top version, but by removing the rear seats, you'd essentially be left with a slightly portlier Miata. Why bother?

humfrz · 11-24-2013, 12:49 PM

DANG, it seems like that in this day and age, everyone wants to get into everyone else's market....

My take is that if a person wants a good, relatively economical, 2-seat roadster, buy a Miata. If you want a good, relatively inexpensive, 2-seat (basically) coupe, buy a FR-S/BRZ...

Manufacturers .... just focus on doing better, what you do best ....

What ever happened to "niche" marketing .....

humfrz

11-24-2013, 10:40 AM	#20
Deslock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 2013 DZE/01 (sold for MX5 ND1) Location: western MA Posts: 871 Thanks: 265 Thanked 269 Times in 133 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For purposes of comparison, S2000 x-bone: FT86 safe-ring frame: That the open-top S2000 attained 22,000 Nm/degree was remarkable. The FT86 doesn't have a similarly tall chassis tunnel running down the middle, and its longer wheelbase would make open-top torsional rigidity that much more challenging. Even with a significant weight increase due to chassis reinforcements, it'd still be comparably noodly. I'm with Yoshinaga on this one. __________________ Life's too short for understeer

11-24-2013, 11:33 AM	#22
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NWFRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: ‘13 FRS Location: USA Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 3,945 Thanked 1,502 Times in 634 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	It makes no difference to me whether or not a convertible is offered. I waited YEARS for a car like this to be built. My first new car. The country is full of MX-5s, S2000s and MR2 Spiders that only get driven two days a week.

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GMU-BRZ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru Impreza Sport Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 279 Thanks: 103 Thanked 122 Times in 32 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No shock here. Subaru was already forced to pick between a sedan and hatch WRX because their engineering department is spread so thin they couldn't invest the resources to do both (per SOA Blog on NASIOC). This despite the hatches making up 50% of their US WRX sales. Have to think that making a convertible GT86 for Toyota is WAY further down the list of priorities.

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Grateful Dave 2nd 86 member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt AT FR-S Location: OC California Posts: 363 Thanks: 513 Thanked 99 Times in 60 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota and Subaru have had their disagreements before (rear wheel drive Toyota vs all wheel drive Subaru) which stopped production for so many months. Subaru had to be shown the nice things about rear wheel for this car from Toyota. Then Subaru agreed and went forward. The same thing will happen here. They should take the back seats out and make it a two seater. They can modify the frame structure and add a flat roll bar behind the seats for safety. It might add some weight but it can be done.

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humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 29,868 Thanks: 28,790 Thanked 31,816 Times in 16,425 Posts Mentioned: 708 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	DANG, it seems like that in this day and age, everyone wants to get into everyone else's market.... My take is that if a person wants a good, relatively economical, 2-seat roadster, buy a Miata. If you want a good, relatively inexpensive, 2-seat (basically) coupe, buy a FR-S/BRZ... Manufacturers .... just focus on doing better, what you do best .... What ever happened to "niche" marketing ..... humfrz

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