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03-13-2016, 03:13 AM | #1 |
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Innovate Motorsports ECB-1 Gauge with Delicious Tuning FF Kit?
Curious, could this gauge be used in conjunction with the Delicious Tuning FF Kit? I like how this gauge can display boost, AF, ethanol content, and fuel temp (not as important to me) on one gauge.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/ecb1.php Could the gauge be "spliced" into the DT FF flex fuel sensor or would I need to run another Continental sensor in serial with the DT FF Sensor? |
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I just picked up an ECB-1 and I was wondering the same. The sensor is different but should function the same. The one in my kit was a Continental 13577429. The one in the Delicious and Moto-East kits looks to be a Continental 13577394.
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Just dug up the ECB-1 documentation and it looks like the Continental sensor that comes with the DT FF Kit might not be compatible then. "The ECB-1 is compatible with GM P/Ns 13577429 and 13577379" So looks like we'll need to run two separate fuel sensors if we're going to run both the ECB-1 and DT/Moto East kits? |
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Found a gold mine of information. The 379 and 394 seem to be exactly the same, but one has longer fuel hard lines.
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Great find! You think we can tap into the Continental FF sensor harness for the ECB-1 gauge then? |
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We do have the rear o2 option as well for those that prefer that route and the slightly easier installation. You may find it cheaper to sell your old one and just get ours that is ready for what you need. |
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We're trying to see how we can integrate the Innovate ECB-1 with the flex fuel kits and I tagged you to see if you've managed to figure out how this would work. We're trying to clean up the interior and not have 50 gauges for various data. I'm looking at the sensor and I see three pins, which gives me the feeling that we're looking at power, ground, and data. Obviously the flex fuel sensor is already getting powered by your (or their) kit, so maybe Y off of the sensor with just the single data line going to the Innovate gauge? |
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The ECB-1 appears to be just that, so you should be able to piggy back the signal from the sensor, but there may be some interference issues so a separate sensor may be needed if you see a change in the ECU rear o2 voltage input on the datalogs. |
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And to expand on this, the GM sensor seems to have one sensor wire...how does the ECB-1 get both ethanol content and fuel temp signals from one signal wire? |
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Vcc = +12V in Vout = Output GND = Ground To answer your question, this is what's involved in the Vout signal: The sensor output is both frequency and pulse width. Ethanol content is output as a frequency of 50-150Hz. The math is: E% = Freq - 50 180-190Hz means water contamination. Temperature is output as a pulse width of 1ms-5ms. The math is: Temp(c) = (41.25 * PW) - 81.25 There's mention of a pull-up resistor possibly being required to bridge between Vout and Vcc. Looks like rigging up a cable would be pretty straightforward. The Delphi connectors are readily available on Mouser to do this the "right way". |
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Had a few minutes at work. This is basically what I had in mind. I'd probably try and find some shielded cable for good measure. Behold the power of MS Paint.
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Awesome! Thanks for the info. Any concerns with tapping the signal wire from the Continental ethanol sensor and degrading/interfering with the signal going to the repurposed rear o2? As you said before, if this works, it would be an elegant solution vs. having a bunch of gauges. |
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Admittedly I don't even have a Flex Fuel setup yet so even if I wanted to test it I couldn't. There's nothing over E10 on this island so I haven't seen a reason to spring for it. Maybe if I see a nice used kit I'll pick it up. |
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Currently our kit does offer a stainless steel mounting bracket (not zip ties) for the ethanol sensor. We also include nylon fuel lines which are 100% ethanol compatible and why most manufacturers use them in their line of vehicles. Cheers, William Knose Delicious Tuning |
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