GR86 Real World Road Tests & Reviews

[HachiRokuX]

Are Toyota dealerships accepting deposits for these yet?


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[DarkSunrise]

No offense to SG, but that gen 1 torque curve looks strange enough that I’m inclined to doubt all of the dyno charts from that shop, gr86 included. Looking forward to seeing production model gr86 dynos from shops Im more familiar with (and that have dynod a bunch of gen 1’s with more shall we say normal results).

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Which for me boils down to the ND2 not being the "better car". In the end its subjective and I understand my opinion seems to be the minority, but my opinion is the one thing I'm truly an expert on, so there's that!

I agree with you too. The ND2 is more 'purists' car. The S2000 is the more deadpan serious track car with a dash of 'fun'. The GR86 is, like Jason Cammisa said, the "Goldilocks car".

[Frost]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

Are Toyota dealerships accepting deposits for these yet?


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In Canada yes, I put down my money on Saturday.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I don't think he did anything but review the cars he was given. This isn't me calling him out for doing something shady. He even says in his own post a couple pages back it is a preproduction car and could be a "ringer." It just looks odd given what we have seen and know about the first gen car.

I mean maybe back in the day factory ringers were a thing, but modern cars are always running at peak performance these days. That’s why there’s very little to be gained without going Catless and E85.

[ayau]

I kind of doubt the press cars were running a non-production engine tune with more timing. the only real limitation is just the fuel quality and how much the ecu decides to retard the timing.

[scuzzy]

206-209 whp so only 8.3%-9.6% powertrain loss? 175 wheel tq for a 5% powertrain loss? That's the headline!

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Kona61

I mean maybe back in the day factory ringers were a thing, but modern cars are always running at peak performance these days. That’s why there’s very little to be gained without going Catless and E85.

I am not saying that is for sure the case either. As I pointed out the delta between whp and factory claimed hp is drastically different between the two cars. Especially if they were done on the same dyno, same day. We have seen low 160's out of these on heartbreaker dynos before.

Originally Posted by scuzzy

206-209 whp so only 8.3%-9.6% powertrain loss? 175 wheel tq for a 5% powertrain loss? That's the headline!

Exactly. Yet the 2020 is 21% loss over claimed factory crank hp and funky torque curve.

[knapper]

Just throwing stuff at the wall here, but it's very possible that the numbers that Toyota and Subaru are providing are just more conservative. There have been many times in the past where cars actually dyno higher than the posted HP numbers.

I am sure we will start to see more and more dyno videos, and impressions, but I will say, I'm very intrigued at the thought of trading in my '13 FRS for one...

[Lantanafrs2]

We know that the supra showed better numbers than the factory claimed.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Perhaps the FA24 still actually outputs the same 100-102.5 HP per liter as the FA20. This would give 246 HP, which is closer to the dyno. It only requires them to slightly de-rate the torque at high RPMs, giving them an on-paper peak torque at lower RPM the way marketing needs.

Yeah, yeah, I know they claimed to have had breathing issues in high RPM and it's obviously not that easy to preserve specific output in the bored engine, but I can hope, can't I?

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

We know that the supra showed better numbers than the factory claimed.

That's common for BMW engines, though. I don't think Subaru did this before.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by knapper

Just throwing stuff at the wall here, but it's very possible that the numbers that Toyota and Subaru are providing are just more conservative. There have been many times in the past where cars actually dyno higher than the posted HP numbers.

I am sure we will start to see more and more dyno videos, and impressions, but I will say, I'm very intrigued at the thought of trading in my '13 FRS for one...

As someone who organizes a time attack series and monitors new car releases, there is a drastic trend in the last 5-10 years where manufacturers are being super conservative on the posted numbers but that also coincides with the rise of turbo charged vehicles.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

No offense to SG, but that gen 1 torque curve looks strange enough that I’m inclined to doubt all of the dyno charts from that shop, gr86 included. Looking forward to seeing production model gr86 dynos from shops Im more familiar with (and that have dynod a bunch of gen 1’s with more shall we say normal results).

King has been around for longer than many people on these foums have been alive. They are doing constant setups including setting up racecars. We will have the BRZ on same dyno.