EL or UEL headers to reduce torque dip?

[Koa]

Originally Posted by smg1138

You're not going to goad me into a flame war. If acting like a condescending douche on the internet makes you happy, then so be it.

It's not the end of the world that you aren't able to research and figure things out without someone spooning it to you, but to start name calling... tisk tisk sir

by the way.. look at all of the EXACT threads that answer your question, or mirror your request.. with information that others have chimed in to this one. Did you REALLY search? Chances are, no. You just are lazy and wanted to feel special by posting your own thread. You aren't unique bro. Get over yourself and learn something

https://www.google.com/search?q=defi...e:ft86club.com

[Bergen23]

Headers won't even make that much of a difference. Just get a drop in air filter and some new exhaust tips. Those will give you the best gains, along with stickers and a big ass spoiler.

[smg1138]

Originally Posted by Koa

It's not the end of the world that you aren't able to research and figure things out without someone spooning it to you, but to start name calling... tisk tisk sir

by the way.. look at all of the EXACT threads that answer your question, or mirror your request.. with information that others have chimed in to this one. Did you REALLY search? Chances are, no. You just are lazy and wanted to feel special by posting your own thread. You aren't unique bro. Get over yourself and learn something

https://www.google.com/search?q=defi...e:ft86club.com

Sorry my web searching skills aren't up to your standards.

[BatStig]

Originally Posted by wparsons

I still need to catch up with you for a ride sometime to hear how loud yours is with the header!

This summer. We'll make it happen. I'll be at the DDT April 18. Also waiting to hear about SPDA's open lapping at DDT.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by smg1138

Sorry my web searching skills aren't up to your standards.

We all start somewhere. Hope going forward you're more comfortable with research using the methods we've outlined in this thread.. at the end of the day it's YOU who benefits. Less clutter is an indirect benefit to others. Don't take it personally.. I like to solve the issues, not focus on the emotions that arise out of them.

[Jonsey]

Originally Posted by Koa

We all start somewhere. Hope going forward you're more comfortable with research using the methods we've outlined in this thread.. at the end of the day it's YOU who benefits. Less clutter is an indirect benefit to others. Don't take it personally.. I like to solve the issues, not focus on the emotions that arise out of them.

Clutter also comes from six posts in a single thread that only requires one to provide an answer. I am all for people researching and not posting repetitive questions and am generally glad you have taken it upon yourself to correct, but clutter is clutter.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Jonsey

Clutter also comes from six posts in a single thread that only requires one to provide an answer. I am all for people researching and not posting repetitive questions and am generally glad you have taken it upon yourself to correct, but clutter is clutter.

If we view clutter in terms of posts within the threads, I may be inclined to agree. However, two things:

1. Typically clutter would be realized as similar threads containing the same information or fragmented out, as common searching is by threads and not posts. Not only that, duplicate threads spread the discussion focus areas away from each other, whereas focused threads with large discussions warrant better congregation and dissemination of knowledge and learning.

2. You're only taking into account this one instance. If the man is shown a better way, the initial posts expended by our crew can be offset by the reduction in frivolous thread posts of the owner in the future. (this one's harder to quantify/verify)

I've learned throughout the years that nothing matters before the word, "but" in someone's rebuke... if we wanna talk about unnecessary or cluttersome thoughts.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by Jonsey

Clutter also comes from six posts in a single thread that only requires one to provide an answer. I am all for people researching and not posting repetitive questions and am generally glad you have taken it upon yourself to correct, but clutter is clutter.

Thread is already made. Thread is a duplicate. There are many other threads about this. OP could have posted in another thread and not made another if he needed clarification.

Therefore, posting in an already made, duplicate, already answered thread isn't clutter.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by BatStig

This summer. We'll make it happen. I'll be at the DDT April 18. Also waiting to hear about SPDA's open lapping at DDT.

18th with Hanson? I might have to pop by, the track is only ~25 minutes from home.

First SPDA lapping day is May 23rd, details to come.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by smg1138

So, I'm looking at replacing my headers and getting a tune to help eliminate the notorious torque dip on my FR-S. Would EL or UEL headers be better to achieve that? I know the UEL headers give more of a rumble, but I'm primarily concerned about the torque dip. What's the consensus on this?

Read the "Basic Bolt on Mods " link below

UEL generally better in low/midrange (torque dip area)
EL generally better higher rpm
but not that much in it if you have decent header and decent tune.

E85 will help as well

Cheapest way is probably OpenFlash Tablet (tunes plus tuning/logging/monitoring device) + Open flash Header (UEL) for aprox $1100 with gaskets
and you can also run E85 if you want with supplied tunes.

[Estey]

Originally Posted by Koa

if you really did search you'll find that there is near unanimous agreement that the more important thing on fixing the torque dip is a good tune and quality headers piece rather than what configuration of header.

That being said UEL (specifically JDL's) is shown to increase low-to-midrange torque over similar EL offerings, all other things considered

Don't you feel special that you got someone to spoon feed you now?

Originally Posted by Koa

I'm just trying to help people find information easier. Most don't know about focused site searches. Notice the subtle difference between telling someone to "go search google, idiot" and "hey, there's a way where you can search within sites for what you want".

Profound impact. Little difference.

It's all in the site:

Originally Posted by Koa

It's not the end of the world that you aren't able to research and figure things out without someone spooning it to you, but to start name calling... tisk tisk sir

by the way.. look at all of the EXACT threads that answer your question, or mirror your request.. with information that others have chimed in to this one. Did you REALLY search? Chances are, no. You just are lazy and wanted to feel special by posting your own thread. You aren't unique bro. Get over yourself and learn something

https://www.google.com/search?q=defi...e:ft86club.com

Originally Posted by Koa

We all start somewhere. Hope going forward you're more comfortable with research using the methods we've outlined in this thread.. at the end of the day it's YOU who benefits. Less clutter is an indirect benefit to others. Don't take it personally.. I like to solve the issues, not focus on the emotions that arise out of them.

By belittleing people with condescending remarks, you're basically saying "go search google, idiot." This, in turn, causes you to create the emotions that you apparently dont focus on...

You obviously arent new to the forums, so its not news to you that members duplicate threads that have been created a thousand times before. I just dont see why you bother to post sometimes, when you bitch about answering duplicate threads... Only fools are impressed by smart alecks.