CAI vs AI

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Also... Some people like the appearance better. An intake change usually also includes a sound tube delete and some pretty coloured parts. The delete certainly does clean up the engine bay and the pretty parts can wow people at meets. Like any car not every person's prime purpose is increased performance so some go for form over function or just plain looks cool.

When I was young, slim and good looking I dated a smokin' hot chick who wasn't a very nice person and was terrible in bed. She looked good on my arm when we were out and about but continually disappointed where it counted.

Aftermarket "performance" parts installed just for appearance are kinda like that.

[oh96s]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Also... Some people like the appearance better. An intake change usually also includes a sound tube delete and some pretty coloured parts. The delete certainly does clean up the engine bay and the pretty parts can wow people at meets. Like any car not every person's prime purpose is increased performance so some go for form over function or just plain looks cool.

I wanted a little but of both. I like form. I want to slam the car about 2.5 inches and add a lip and all that good stuff but I also want some slight improvement in my performance. I was planning on buying an exhaust for the sound but I heard that will actually improve your go and torque. Is that true?

[STV3]

Dude.... seriously???

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

When I was young, slim and good looking I dated a smokin' hot chick who wasn't a very nice person and was terrible in bed. She looked good on my arm when we were out and about but continually disappointed where it counted.

Aftermarket "performance" parts installed just for appearance are kinda like that.

Thus my reference to "pretty Coloured" parts.

[CelicaJoe]

Originally Posted by oh96s

I wanted a little but of both. I like form. I want to slam the car about 2.5 inches and add a lip and all that good stuff but I also want some slight improvement in my performance. I was planning on buying an exhaust for the sound but I heard that will actually improve your go and torque. Is that true?

You sound eager to improve whatever you can without really having a grasp on what you'll be changing. I was in the same situation, knew next to nothing but was willing to spend every penny I had to make myself think I was faster. Fortunately I decided to wait a few weeks and really read into what I was doing first. In those couple weeks I realized just how stupid I was being.
Not saying you're the same, but really do your research before you spend any of your money. Your future self will thank you. Theres an unlimited amount of information on these forums with explanations even for the simplest of questions. All you've gotta do is look in the right place!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CelicaJoe

You sound eager to improve whatever you can without really having a grasp on what you'll be changing. I was in the same situation, knew next to nothing but was willing to spend every penny I had to make myself think I was faster. Fortunately I decided to wait a few weeks and really read into what I was doing first. In those couple weeks I realized just how stupid I was being.
Not saying you're the same, but really do your research before you spend any of your money. Your future self will thank you. Theres an unlimited amount of information on these forums with explanations even for the simplest of questions. All you've gotta do is look in the right place!

I was going to write something about waiting, researching and making decisions based upon educated thought instead of "that looks sic bruuuuh" but Joe did a better (and much gentler) job of it.


Read through the threads on the subjects that interest you. Try to pick the good info from the true crap (there is plenty). Find somebody you trust and listen to them.


You are a long way away in the learning curve from slamming your car just yet.

[86_PWR]

The stock intake is not a true cai. The snorkel draws from outside the engine bay but is not a direct feed. I race on circuits and can tell u many things but dont have the time so i will keep it simple. If u truely want to improve the intake of any car do 2 things: 1.put in a high flow filter 2. Most important, put in a direct air feed that produces positive manifold pressure. To achieve number 2 buy the zeek or greddy snorkel. They are true race pieces and are fully functional. Once the vehicle is at circuit speed they truely make the intake a cai. Now, if u are not going to blast on twisty roads or go to the circuit then u will not come to realize their potential. Hope that helped.

[86_PWR]

And, if any of u disagree with what i said then u truely dont know shit and should go talk to any race engineer.

[Impureclient]

I don't disagree with 86_PWR because I don't want his wrath upon me but this is what I did.

$60 Intake tube [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MZRJYNA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailp age_o01_s00"]Amazon.com: Rev Motoring Silicone Intake Inlet Hose Scion Fr-s Subaru BRZ Extra Hose Delete: Automotive[/ame]

$47 K&N filter [ame="http://www.amazon.com/33-2300-High-Performance-Replacement-Filter/dp/B000CO80OW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437617679&sr=8-1&keywords=fr-s+air+filter"]Amazon.com: K&N 33-2300 High Performance Replacement Air Filter: Automotive[/ame]

$60 + $47 = $107 with free shipping

[themajesticone]

Originally Posted by oh96s

Another noob post. What's the difference? As in pros VS cons. From my understanding, the CAI is routed towards the outside of the car to inject cold air instead of hot air from the engine? I was looking at the Greddy air intake but should I invest in a CAI? Will there be much difference? I also plan on lowering the car about 2.5 inches so will that be a problem with the CAI? Water or puddle getting into it. Etc. I do live in California however.. so maybe I shouldn't worry about water getting into my intake if I decide to go with the CAI lol

I think enough people on here have said it already so I am clearly repeating and repeating but it is definitely not worth it to get a full aftermarket cold-air intake relative to other upgrades you can use your $200-300 for.

An Aftermarket air filter (~$40) > aftermarket cold-air intake ($250-350) for our cars, for the most part. It has been proven that the gains are so minimal that its not worth the extra $200-300. Perhaps it is a crazy thought but for our cars at least, a CAI would be an 'icing on the cake' after everything else is done like full catless exhaust, e85 tune or flex fuel kit/tune, etc.

For an extra $200-300 you can get lowering springs, put them towards a new set of wheels or new set of tires, maybe get a catless header, etc. There is much more you can use that $200-300 for and it will be way more functional and worth it in terms of adding power or making your car more quick. Of course, do not forget that in order to add safe power you will of course need a tune. If you do not have a tune and start adding all these exhaust mods, for example, you could be getting into the danger zone in high RPM's/WOT. Invest in a tune alongside any power item upgrades. If you change something major like stock header for a catless header, go and re-tune it. Good luck!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by 86_PWR

The stock intake is not a true cai. The snorkel draws from outside the engine bay but is not a direct feed. I race on circuits and can tell u many things but dont have the time so i will keep it simple. If u truely want to improve the intake of any car do 2 things: 1.put in a high flow filter 2. Most important, put in a direct air feed that produces positive manifold pressure. To achieve number 2 buy the zeek or greddy snorkel. They are true race pieces and are fully functional. Once the vehicle is at circuit speed they truely make the intake a cai. Now, if u are not going to blast on twisty roads or go to the circuit then u will not come to realize their potential. Hope that helped.

this must be why olympic sprinters breathe through a straw when they race. it gathers the air further away from their body and allows them to breathe easier.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by oh96s

I wanted a little but of both. I like form. I want to slam the car about 2.5 inches and add a lip and all that good stuff but I also want some slight improvement in my performance. I was planning on buying an exhaust for the
sound but I heard that will actually improve your go and torque. Is that true?

Suggest you read the Basic Bolt on Mods link below before you waste a wad of cash if you actually want performance and not looks or sound.

Dont slam your car 2.5" and put a lip on it as it will be a road grader (hitting every driveway and speed bump) and handle like crap it may look good but thats it. Most people cannot out drive the stock setup especially with a decient set of tyres.

[STV3]

Originally Posted by 86_PWR

The stock intake is not a true cai. The snorkel draws from outside the engine bay but is not a direct feed. I race on circuits and can tell u many things but dont have the time so i will keep it simple. If u truely want to improve the intake of any car do 2 things: 1.put in a high flow filter 2. Most important, put in a direct air feed that produces positive manifold pressure. To achieve number 2 buy the zeek or greddy snorkel. They are true race pieces and are fully functional. Once the vehicle is at circuit speed they truely make the intake a cai. Now, if u are not going to blast on twisty roads or go to the circuit then u will not come to realize their potential. Hope that helped.

Wait.... Are you really saying that a ram air system can produce positive manifold pressure aka boost???

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by STV3

Wait.... Are you really saying that a ram air system can produce positive manifold pressure aka boost???

Ummm yeah... Is this a serious question?

You just have to get to 88mph and also have 1.21 jiggawatts.