100% DI Failure with Nurburgring rentals

[regal]

Every Toyobaru owner should read this post:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=158

[kevin920415]

This worries me a lot as a future owner of frs...
My close friend has the cricket issues and he only "babied" it so far...

I hope 14' frs, this issue gets fixed!

[Muaddib]

I am not taking mine past 5k rpm when it is under WOT.

[lsxiong]

We should Sticky this thread for all owners to be aware so Toyota can do something about this. I don't want to buy the car now knowing I will baby it for 5 years then maybe eventually tracking this car after the warranty period.

This car is not reliable when driven spiritedly.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by lsxiong

We should Sticky this thread for all owners to be aware so Toyota can do something about this. I don't want to buy the car now knowing I will baby it for 5 years then maybe eventually tracking this car after the warranty period.

This car is not reliable when driven spiritedly.

I wouldn't go that far. I drive my spiritedly often. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, but the car is under warranty, so I'm not worried. I just need to make sure I make it happen before the 6 year/60k mile warranty is up

[Wolfking]

Originally Posted by kevin920415

This worries me a lot as a future owner of frs...
My close friend has the cricket issues and he only "babied" it so far...

I hope 14' frs, this issue gets fixed!

My "crickets" died around 5k miles...

[kALMIGHTY]

Originally Posted by kevin920415

This worries me a lot as a future owner of frs...
My close friend has the cricket issues and he only "babied" it so far...

I hope 14' frs, this issue gets fixed!

Don't the crickets only come around when you use gas with ethanol in it?
Unless I'm wrong and the cars are getting this even with ethanol free gas.

[5th 86]

Damned toyota, and there pos ds4 system, should of just let subaru do the fuel injection. And we would have been making more power easier with only a small loss in mpg

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by 5th 86

Damned toyota, and there pos ds4 system, should of just let subaru do the fuel injection. And we would have been making more power easier with only a small loss in mpg

lol, that's not really how it works.

[Weeber]

I thought this issue was already looked into and possibly resolved with a on board computer patch?

[regal]

Originally Posted by Weeber

I thought this issue was already looked into and possibly resolved with a on board computer patch?

No there was an obscure South African only TSB put together by a field engineer that was posted 4 months ago. It pointed to aggressive shifting being the cause and modifying the transient ignition retard tables (ECU Flash).

Obviously corporate Toyota isn't agreeing with this small division's assessment as there has been no TSB released anywhere else.

This is a major issue folks, probably affecting all of us (know one knows what condition their DI seals are in until they fail catastrophically.) In other words how many miles left on your seals is a huge wildcard right now.

But I look at a 100% failure rate with a rental co that simulates accelerated wear as a good indication that 30k-60k miles of city driving is all these are good for. We may start seeing massive failure rates in the next year.

If you hear popping/back firing pull over and call a tow truck, continuing to drive with blown seals will lead to a seized engine and a huge safety risk, people can get hurt.

Toyota is a good company, hopefully there will be action taken soon.

[Clembo]

I still don't think this is a pervasive issue for us in normal (and even spirited) driving. From the few failures I've seen (out of all the cars actually on the road) this problem is almost non-existant for the most part. I mean we're talking an almost unmeasurable failure rate based strictly on statistics.

I'm not going to let this 'issue' ruin my enjoyment of the car and I'm still going to drive mine like I stole it. And it's under warranty if it turns out that I'm wrong.

BTW, if these people in Germany are so down on the cars and actually had a 100% failure rate, why are they still advertising them in their literature?

[regal]

Originally Posted by Clembo

I still don't think this is a pervasive issue for us in normal (and even spirited) driving.

Its all about miles, that's what sucks about it. First symptoms many wouldn't even notice as there is no CEL.

We need a volunteer to pull there injectors, someone who drives spiritedly has over 25k miles and is confident nothing is wrong with the car. Inspect the seals, how are they holding up ? I'd do it but I only drive 7k per year. I'd be willing to pitch in $100 if we started a collection and it was well documented.

I love these cars but I would hate to see this issue ignored and see the problem escalate as the warranty expires. I would also hate to see someone hurt or killed from a seized engine on the highway.

The issue shouldn't be ignored due to small numbers, I doubt anyone has put 20k city miles on their car.

[Weeber]

Originally Posted by Clembo

I still don't think this is a pervasive issue for us in normal (and even spirited) driving. From the few failures I've seen (out of all the cars actually on the road) this problem is almost non-existant for the most part. I mean we're talking an almost unmeasurable failure rate based strictly on statistics.

I'm not going to let this 'issue' ruin my enjoyment of the car and I'm still going to drive mine like I stole it. And it's under warranty if it turns out that I'm wrong.

BTW, if these people in Germany are so down on the cars and actually had a 100% failure rate, why are they still advertising them in their literature?

And weren't these just 2 cars in total?

Plus rental cars for the nurburgring aren't the best maintained.