FRS made top ten daily driver sports cars

[Wise]

Originally Posted by Cole

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

Supercars and Hypercars aren't really a vehicle classification, more of a buzzword for auto journalists.

[DAEMANO]

@Tcoat

That Coronet looks well beyond minimal modifications for motorsports. I mean it was basically a sedan that was cut down into a coupe and then had the R/T trimmings added. How much over a base Coronet was that? So it's not really confusing to me. Not a Sportscar.

That's exactly why I prefer Frere's definition vs. Wikipedia & the above R&T article. Neither of the others really speak towards the Motorsports aspect of the name Sportscar. Only that the car is fun to drive or at one time was modded to high heaven from the factory to make it race. Those type of cars and "Sporty"cars do not always equal Sportscars (that's why the Golf R is not a Sportscar. The original form needed $25k to make competitive for sport.) So what's the difference? Frere's definition points us in a clearer direction.

"Any production car that, with minimal modification, can be used competitively in motorsports."

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

@Tcoat


"Any production car that, with minimal modification, can be used competitively in motorsports

That Coronet looks well beyond minimal modifications for motorsports. I mean it was basically a sedan that was cut down into a coupe and then had the R/T trimmings added. How much over a base Coronet was that? So it's not really confusing to me. Not a Sportscar.

That's exactly why I prefer Frere's definition vs. Wikipedia & the above R&T article. Neither of the others really speak towards the Motorsports aspect of the name Sportscar. Only that the car is fun to drive or at one time was modded to high heaven from the factory to make it race. Those type of cars and "Sporty"cars do not always equal Sportscars (that's why the Golf R is not a Sportscar. The original form needed $25k to make competitive for sport.) So what's the difference? Frere's definition points us in a clearer direction.

"Any production car that, with minimal modification, can be used competitively in motorsports."

The 1970 Coronet R/t is a production car that with minimal modification can be used in motor sport. It is not a modified sedan it is a production car unto itself and by the very definition you provided it is 100% sports car. How does price over a base sedan come into play? By your definition are the STi or WRX sports cars or not? Are the base Corvettes sports cars but the top trims are not? Does an engine swapped Twin no longer qualify as a sports car since it is heavily modified? Does every single car that has a base level eliminate all levels above that since they are modified? Does this not rule out the BRZ limited and PP as sports cars?

The term "sports car" existed well before some dude write a book. He did not coin the term nor classify the cars but simply gave his own twist on the interpretation. It is not gospel and I actually see loads of holes in it. Becuase he states that they must be used in motors ports to quality that rules out most of what were considered the classic and true sports cars in history.

You used a Wiki article to counter may GT statement but then over rule my use since it does not agree with your stand. Either we rely on their definitions or we don't. We can not just use the ones we want and throw the rest away.

[Allch Chcar]

As I understood it, sports car was a made up marketing term that is more commonly associated with a roadster. I just assume that we're talking about the popular usage of sports car. Which is sufficiently vague to mean just about anything with two doors and/or a high output engine.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

As I understood it, sports car was a made up marketing term that is more commonly associated with a roadster. I just assume that we're talking about the popular usage of sports car. Which is sufficiently vague to mean just about anything with two doors and/or a high output engine.

This is completely correct now. My argument is based upon the OLD use of the term. Like I have said the use of the word has grown to include many cars over the last 30 years or so. If anybody had called many of the cars encompassed in the modern interpretation a sports car one back prior to about 1990 they would have been laughed out of the room.
I personalty will never be able to think of a fixed roof car as a sports car no matter how many people throw quotes at me but at the same time I fully understand that the term has broadened.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Cole

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

Super Cars are sports cars

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Super Cars are sports cars

They are just super ones.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They are just super ones.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Super Cars are sports cars

Sure. However, welding a tiny strip of metal in the middle of an exhaust tip doesn't make it a quad exhaust.

[humfrz]

hmmmm.......in my simple mind, I considered my 1970 MGB to have been a sports car; my 2006 Miata was a sports car; I call my 2013 FR-S a "sporty type car".

Life is simple for me ......


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[Ultramaroon]

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

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Why did you post a picture of Giants?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The 1970 Coronet R/t is a production car that with minimal modification can be used in motor sport. It is not a modified sedan it is a production car unto itself and by the very definition you provided it is 100% sports car. How does price over a base sedan come into play? By your definition are the STi or WRX sports cars or not? Are the base Corvettes sports cars but the top trims are not? Does an engine swapped Twin no longer qualify as a sports car since it is heavily modified? Does every single car that has a base level eliminate all levels above that since they are modified? Does this not rule out the BRZ limited and PP as sports cars?

The term "sports car" existed well before some dude write a book. He did not coin the term nor classify the cars but simply gave his own twist on the interpretation. It is not gospel and I actually see loads of holes in it. Becuase he states that they must be used in motors ports to quality that rules out most of what were considered the classic and true sports cars in history.

You used a Wiki article to counter may GT statement but then over rule my use since it does not agree with your stand. Either we rely on their definitions or we don't. We can not just use the ones we want and throw the rest away.

The idea behind minimally modified to be competitive in motorsports suggests that a purpose designed chassis requires fewer changes to actually work well in a competition. Your Coronet as lovely and fast as it is in RT form was not specifically designed with motorsports in mind whatsoever. Same goes with he WRX. True, initially roadsters fit these design goals best since why does a race car need a roof? Answer is that races occasionally take place in the rain (and also drivers like all over protection in a crash.) The definition of Sportcar grew to include coupes and reflect this reality.

I get that this definition doesn't fit everyone's concept. It is imperfect, and I as much stated that (as well as a few other points you still felt the need to attempt to argue for some reason.) Undoubtedly trying to define anything subjective will have holes. The idea is to be as true as possible to the concept. Motorsports car. Sportscar. That is the root of the term. The definition I prefer was conceived by a man who had a deep understanding motorsports, the automobile industry, car culture and language who was in the biz longer than most of us have lived. Not just "some guy who wrote a book." That kind of minimization attempt suggests you got kinda mad or something. Look man, you were disagree with on the internet. Your tone is your prerogative. But come on.

[humfrz]

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