01-13-2019, 08:58 AM | #4789 |
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Yay glad I’m DS with my 2013...
Too bad I’ll never go SSC due to the springs and tires. -B |
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What's wrong with the springs? My short drives in SSC showed me that the tires are fine. Just not friendly cause over the limit they just chatter and do stupid stuff.
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Eh, in reality when someone builds up a class killer like you describe, they just adjust the starting points for that car the next season. There is no perfect system but the NASA system is much better. SCCA clubs understand that they need new members, but the current classing system just frustrates new members. A single minor mod can sent you all the way up to the Modified classes. |
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01-14-2019, 07:21 AM | #4793 | |
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If you want to build to a rule set and compete with likeminded individuals, the SCCA model is pretty good (even if many individual rules may not make sense) and offers lots of options. |
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Of course a car built to the limit of the rules will be more competitive. That is not at all what I mean. The problem with the SCCA system is that a single mod, even one that gives no performance gain (like an oil cooler or a hood) can shoot you up several levels to a completely ridiculous class. It often causes new members with slightly modified cars to either remove their mods or quit, where in the NASA system they would just get a few points. The end result is that many cars can be competitive in many classes. Your friends builds are probably good examples. The could start with dozens of different cars and make them competitive, where in SCCA you must start with the current hot model or its impossible to win. The 86 is unique in that it can actually compete in CS or DS but it still has no chance in either. |
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It goes back to your original point, of course optimized cars are the way to go, both as a competitor and as a rules writer, playing dumb is just setting yourself up for failure. That's why locals should be nice and look the other way when they know that it's not going to be a big deal, like the guy who shows up with an aftermarket supercharger on his car and classes himself in a Street class but is still on OE wheels with 400TW all season tires, pretty sure nobody bothered that guy in my region, but he didn't come back, hopefully it's not because someone bothered him because that would be lame. Quote:
STX is fun and not as expensive as people think, $2k coilovers, $1.3k for the first set of wheels and tires (Tirerack brand wheel $148/ea), $200 swaybar, $1k for a header and OFT and go. Those are list prices btw and when set up and driven well should be a trophy contender, race tires fit in the trunk of the car, still fun without header/tune imho if someone wants to build slow and have fun buy in the order listed. |
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No, you are missing my original point. An optimized car is optimum. Most casual enthusiasts already have a car they love with mods they want to keep. With a NASA style points system, they get a few points and are in the ballpark with enjoyable competition. In the SCCA system, a single minor mod can jump you up to a ridiculous level and that makes it not fun. An oil cooler gains you precisely nothing on a 1 minute autocross course. It is a good example because it is a common early mod for those that also want to track day where is can make a difference. Most people don't want to remove and reinstall it between events. I was happy to see that they will allow them in SSC, and hope it spreads to street. |
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Rules are always going to reward some and screw some. If your version of fun is winning, its going to be a tough time wherever you go with unbalanced mods. The wider the wiggle room, the more costly it is to win. NASA rules are just as bad, just in a different way.
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Edit: I do appreciate your point about NASA system classing mods and not classing by a prep limit that's not necessarily beneficial to all car sets. But in the SCCA Street Class Autox thread I'm gonna nitpick shit that really shouldn't be let in just 'because nasa TT does'. |
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newbie to brz
I just picked up a BRZ and looks like i may just go into DS this year, was contemplating SSC or maybe STX but i figured maybe i would just see how this thing is stock being i have only put like 50 miles on it so far.... Hated to tear out/change the suspension radically before even getting much seat time at all in it. Its a been about 3 years since i have had a car to run so I am just glad to be back in the game. So far it is a hoot to drive!!
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The Falkens in SSC are a real adjustment, so if that is where you ultimately want to go, I'd recommend jumping right in.
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