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View Poll Results: Which coilover should I go with?
Eibach Multipro R2 1 9.09%
Fortune Auto 510 7 63.64%
Feal 442 2 18.18%
Pedder w/ Remote Canister 1 9.09%
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:34 PM   #1
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2 Way Coilover Choices

Currently I am trying to decide on coilovers for my track build
Looking for somewhat of a budget 2 way coilovers

I have been looking at some unknown brands and some more known ones and am trying to decide on which ones to try out

Eibach R2
Fortune 510 (Would upgrade to 2 way system at a later date)
Feal 442
Pedders XA w/ External Reservoirs (Can't find any information on this but I know Michelle Abate runs these on her race car)

Hopefully, someone here can illuminate their experiences with these coils.
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:54 PM   #2
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Have only experienced the FA510, so probably not a very useful review. But I would say that the ability to choose your own rates and paired with swift springs is what rendered them attractive to me. On a 6k/8k configuration that I have, they ride harder than stock, but not by much, but you can really feel the lack of travel compared to stock on big holes or bumps.

The important stuff, track impressions (since I assume this is what you are interested in). They are really really good. Only rebound adjustable but can you really feel the changes. They go from feeling a bit hard on the streets, to make the track feel smooth. Body roll is way lower than before. I do not feel any changes in how they perform on longer sessions, so I doubt they are overheating the oil. In terms of laptime, on the same tire (Nitto NT01 in 235/40), Im around 3 seconds faster per lap on a 2 minute course with similar weather. I would say around half of this time is actually trusting the car more and a bit of driver developpement over the course of the winter.

I had originally planned to get the R2, but the really soft spring rates turned me off a bit. I know nothing of other coilovers so I can only compare it to stock suspension. For track usage, I would say they are a big improvement over stock.
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Why "budget" 2-way? What do you want that a normal 1-way adjustable coilover can't accomplish? What is "budget" to you?
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Old 05-24-2017, 03:48 PM   #4
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Why "budget" 2-way? What do you want that a normal 1-way adjustable coilover can't accomplish? What is "budget" to you?
Budget is around 3-3.5k
A 1 way coilover doesn't have the adjustability I would like
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The best "budget" 2-way system out there will probably be KW V3.

Or you can even consider Cusco:
http://www.frsport.com/Cusco-965-63X...-_p_37554.html
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How about Racecomp T2 ?
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I absolutely adore my Tein SRC.

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...c-brz-frs.html

In depth review: www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25867



*edit* - Just noticed they are a hair out of your budget. Hopefully that's alright.
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In budget, T2. Remember that you're also buying a bit of support and a good starting setup.
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Old 05-24-2017, 05:52 PM   #9
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In budget, T2. Remember that you're also buying a bit of support and a good starting setup.
This.

For this reason, I would buy from a vendor that offers support up front, like @Vten and @cjd mentioned

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How about Racecomp T2 ?
http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...-brz-fr-s.html

IIRC these are essentially KW V3's like @mav1178 mentioned built to Racecomp's specs with their support.

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The T2 was designed by RCE using a KW Variant 3 Inox-Line stainless steel coilover body. RCE chose the KW V3 Inox because it provides the basis for a track worthy, double adjustable, threaded-body coilover suspension system. Racecomp Engineering spec'd the valving of their Tarmac 2 coilovers more aggressively than the off the shelf KW V3. This more aggressive damping still provides an amazing ride but has proven to provide exceptional control over damping characteristics for a variety of conditions.
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+1 zero experience here but if I had to pick a double adjustable to learn on it'd be the Tarmac 2's, but I think 400# springs may be too stiff depending on the tire you run, unless you like to keep it lively.
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+1 zero experience here but if I had to pick a double adjustable to learn on it'd be the Tarmac 2's, but I think 400# springs may be too stiff depending on the tire you run, unless you like to keep it lively.
I don't feel like my T2s with 450f/500r overpower Re71rs. I'm thinking about trying stiffer.
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I don't feel like my T2s with 450f/500r overpower Re71rs. I'm thinking about trying stiffer.
What size 71R's? What you say makes sense once you get down to 200TW super aggressive tires, especially if you go wider than stock.

I've got slightly softer rates than yours but went and pounded around on my MPSS street tires (OE sized) this weekend and it was slippery to say the least. I think the same would hold for the less sticky 200TW track tires (Dunlops, Hankooks, Bridgestone RE11, BFG, etc.) if kept around OE sizing 215-225. 400# would likely work out well for those tires for someone who could drive it, but it would seem to me to be an edgier setup than using some softer spring rates.

Since OP provided no context we won't know if the 400# starting point will be too much, not enough, or just right. Which could be a selling point for the FA/Feal's given how they're sold as customizable.
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What size 71R's? What you say makes sense once you get down to 200TW super aggressive tires, especially if you go wider than stock.

I've got slightly softer rates than yours but went and pounded around on my MPSS street tires (OE sized) this weekend and it was slippery to say the least. I think the same would hold for the less sticky 200TW track tires (Dunlops, Hankooks, Bridgestone RE11, BFG, etc.) if kept around OE sizing 215-225. 400# would likely work out well for those tires for someone who could drive it, but it would seem to me to be an edgier setup than using some softer spring rates.

Since OP provided no context we won't know if the 400# starting point will be too much, not enough, or just right. Which could be a selling point for the FA/Feal's given how they're sold as customizable.
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I don't feel like my T2s with 450f/500r overpower Re71rs. I'm thinking about trying stiffer.
Kinda off-topic from the OP's query, but I'm curious - does that hold in all conditions? I found 10k/12k on 255/40/17 to be a significant challenge in the wet (Tein SRC) for AutoX, though amazing when traction was up. I'm now on 400/500, but seriously considering a bump to 450/500 (need to be a bit more consistent with the setup I have to be sure it would be a useful change). I believe I'm still slower than I was last year, though that's not entirely the fault of the setup (codrivers that are waaaaay faster than you are good).

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