follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Xero Limit
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum

Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-09-2019, 06:58 PM   #1
acuatlsfan
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Drives: whiteout
Location: socal
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
[Advice] Complaint against dealer -brake rotor rust vs pad transfer.

I want to ask you guys/gals for advice & your opinion on current issue before decided to move forward with a complaint against a SoCal dealership

2014 FRS had rod bearing failure @ 80k. SoCal dealership got new short block & cam cover covered under CPO warranty (the short block looks dirty, same amount of dirt as heads & transmission). They worked on car for more than 1 month, I picked up car, smoke coming from hood.Took car back in, dealer found & resealed front cam cover in 7 days period.

Went to pick up car, drove it 3 blocks, smoke coming from hood again & vibration when braking (that wasn't there when I dropped off car). Made a u-turn, they stated "residue" oil burning. I think it's new oil that dripped from leak bc they ran the car for an hour, all residual should be gone? I inspected rotors, looks like pad transfer on all 4 rotors (I'm not expert, wasn't there before), dealer claims rust from semi-metallic pads (I have TRD ceramics on). Service manager said it wasn't their issue, that I would have to pay for resurfacing, Dealer blames brake vibration is from not resurfacing when pads were changed 5 mins prior. Vibration & imprint wasn't there when car was dropped off.

Are the picture below rust from the brake pads that can occur during a 7 day period in SoCal (warm weather, no rain) or from something else? Also, does the short block like a BRAND NEW (photo taken right after picking up car, looks dirty); the serial number #203438N is not that much away from stock photo #203480N on Toyota.com



What do you think? Is a complaint warranted?
Attached Images
        
acuatlsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2019, 07:10 PM   #2
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 22,801
Thanks: 16,880
Thanked 20,250 Times in 11,222 Posts
Mentioned: 518 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
I can understand your general frustration with your car.

However, the imprint of the pad on the rotor isn't a big deal. It should go away after a few long periods of braking.


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
soundman98 (10-10-2019)
Old 10-09-2019, 07:17 PM   #3
acuatlsfan
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Drives: whiteout
Location: socal
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
I can understand your general frustration with your car.

However, the imprint of the pad on the rotor isn't a big deal. It should go away after a few long periods of braking.


humfrz

It's not so much about the imprint . It's more of the car & steering vibration from it
acuatlsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to acuatlsfan For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-10-2019)
Old 10-09-2019, 09:49 PM   #4
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 22,801
Thanks: 16,880
Thanked 20,250 Times in 11,222 Posts
Mentioned: 518 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by acuatlsfan View Post
It's not so much about the imprint . It's more of the car & steering vibration from it
OK, let's see if I have this straight. You said:

"Dealer blames brake vibration is from not resurfacing when pads were changed 5 mins prior."

So, did the dealer change the pads? If so, did they "bed in" the new pads?

If the dealer replaced the pads, did they recommend that the rotors be turned/replaced at that time?


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-10-2019)
Old 10-09-2019, 10:32 PM   #5
Grady
Senior Member
 
Grady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Drives: BRZ Yellow, 00 outback, 05 Colorado
Location: Dallas
Posts: 646
Thanks: 136
Thanked 458 Times in 265 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
go out and do some hard stops. There is not much the dealer could have done changing the engine to cause break issues.



Looks like messy Marvin put your engine in. give it a good cleaning and keep an eye on it.
Grady is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Grady For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-10-2019), Tcoat (10-10-2019)
Old 10-10-2019, 10:00 AM   #6
acuatlsfan
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Drives: whiteout
Location: socal
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
OK, let's see if I have this straight. You said:

"Dealer blames brake vibration is from not resurfacing when pads were changed 5 mins prior."

So, did the dealer change the pads? If so, did they "bed in" the new pads?

If the dealer replaced the pads, did they recommend that the rotors be turned/replaced at that time?


humfrz

Does the look like rust.. yes or no?
acuatlsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 10:55 AM   #7
JohnJuan
Senior Member
 
JohnJuan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, Hot Lava; 2012 Z1000 CBO
Location: Minnesota, USA
Posts: 530
Thanks: 1,536
Thanked 247 Times in 160 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by acuatlsfan View Post
Does the look like rust.. yes or no?

Quote:

pads were changed 5 mins prior.

Were the pads changed by the dealer? Your post says 5 minutes prior.


If they were not changed by the dealer, go out, accelerate to 50-60 mph, brake to 20-30. Repeat 6-7 times, or until the pulsing goes away.
__________________
JohnJuan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 11:17 AM   #8
nico_rsx
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Drives: BRZ 2017 Pure Red, MT
Location: Quebec, Canada
Posts: 276
Thanks: 103
Thanked 102 Times in 72 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Lie others have said, your brake don't need resurfacing. It's probably normal since the car was not used for a couples of weeks.
Just do a bed-in (couples of hard brakes until the brakes gets hot). You should always do this when you change pads.
Google "brake bed-in", for the correct procedure. You need to cool the brake after doing this, before parking the car.
nico_rsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 11:48 AM   #9
mav1178
Senior Member
 
mav1178's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry
Location: 91745
Posts: 6,249
Thanks: 482
Thanked 5,714 Times in 2,850 Posts
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
1) most dealers do a quick machine wash before returning the car to you, so if the car sat around for more than 15 minutes after a wash the rust would be normal. that's what my brakes look like if I washed my car in my driveway and parked it without really driving it...

2) every block has a serial number, that's all you need to verify if the block is new or not. if you're so paranoid about it, write the serial number down and call Toyota corporate.
mav1178 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mav1178 For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-10-2019), Tcoat (10-10-2019)
Old 10-10-2019, 12:04 PM   #10
CrowsFeast
Member
 
CrowsFeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech
Location: Toronto
Posts: 79
Thanks: 40
Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Brakes and new/old block aside; they took a MONTH to rebuild the motor and get it back to you? What did you do in the meantime?

I'd be on the phone with Corporate and see what happens there.
CrowsFeast is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CrowsFeast For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-10-2019)
Old 10-10-2019, 12:29 PM   #11
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 22,801
Thanks: 16,880
Thanked 20,250 Times in 11,222 Posts
Mentioned: 518 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by acuatlsfan View Post
Does the look like rust.. yes or no?
Please answer my questions first.


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 09:21 PM   #12
soundman98
Boost is Whack. N/A4LYFE
 
soundman98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Drives: '14 brz limited
Location: chicagolandia
Posts: 2,208
Thanks: 3,419
Thanked 1,526 Times in 927 Posts
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
honestly, it just sounds like you're out to get them.
__________________
my '14 brz limited "the return to normal" (or is it?)
led mods-10%(planning/designing/sitting on hands)audio mods-99%(done is never done)

hidplanet build log
soundman98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 09:59 PM   #13
GrantedTaken
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Drives: BRZ
Location: The Sun
Posts: 390
Thanks: 29
Thanked 220 Times in 107 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
No, that is not rust.
Rust is orange.
GrantedTaken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2019, 11:01 PM   #14
weederr33
Airborne at your service
 
weederr33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: '17 BRZ Series.Yellow
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 3,101
Thanks: 2,253
Thanked 1,594 Times in 978 Posts
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrantedTaken View Post
No, that is not rust.
Rust is orange.
Clearly you don't know much about rust.
__________________
weederr33 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to weederr33 For This Useful Post:
Tcoat (10-11-2019)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Brake Rotor Blunder MCTeeJ Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 19 10-23-2018 12:10 PM
Rotor rust not being removed by brake pads Scotty2Hotty Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 23 03-05-2018 05:53 PM
Asking dealer to transfer my TRD exhaust to the new vehicle when I trade it in? Terruko Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 18 11-23-2017 10:26 PM
DIY: Front Brake Pad and Brake Rotor Replacement F1point4 DIY (Do-It-Yourself) Guides 27 08-13-2016 07:49 PM
should I opt for the rust/paint protection package from the dealer? kiddo Subaru BRZ General Forum 9 09-03-2012 11:21 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.